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  • ://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh CARTER -- I -- 3 ~'1: Well, then, in the 1936 campaign, did you participate? C: Yes, yes. By 1936 we had become aware that the Vi ce Pres i dent from Texas was not exactly a cooperative member of the New Deal team
  • of the folks--well, me and whoever I could get--we were the cooks. I must have told you somewhere in here about the three fried eggs [original story is in Interview VI], which is sort of a symbol of our life. Lyndon would ask all the postmasters to meet him out
  • acquainted with him I just had a hand-inhand feeling for Willis Hurst, and it was a great gift from the Lord that he happened to be in that place at that time. He had trained under an extremely well-known doctor called White. M: Paul White? J: Yes, [he
  • loose. I don't know if he was giving us too much credit; I think he probably never had them. G: Anything else vis-a-vis Johnson at the convention? O: No. I think that he exhibited a little concern in that suite in the conversation about the upcoming
  • ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: September 16
  • Oral history transcript, Walter Jenkins, interview 6 (VI), 9/16/1982, by Michael L. Gillette
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: May 8, 1986
  • Oral history transcript, Mary Margaret Wiley Valenti, interview 6 (VI), 5/8/1986, by Michael L. Gillette
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: March 29, 1990
  • Oral history transcript, Donald J. Cronin, interview 6 (VI), 3/29/1990, by Michael L. Gillette
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: August 18
  • Oral history transcript, Lawrence E. (Larry) Levinson, interview 6 (VI), 8/18/1972, by Joe B. Frantz
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: February 24
  • Oral history transcript, Frank M. Wozencraft, interview 6 (VI), 2/24/1969, by T.H. Baker
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: March 4, 1996
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: April 21, 1983
  • Oral history transcript, Wilton Woods and Virginia Woods, interview 6 (VI), 4/21/1983, by Michael L. Gillette
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: November 17, 1988 INTERVIEWEE: HORACE BUSBY INTERVIEWER: Michael
  • Oral history transcript, Horace Busby, interview 6 (VI), 11/17/1988, by Michael L. Gillette
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: October 24
  • Oral history transcript, Willard Deason and Jeanne Deason, interview 6 (VI), 10/24/1985, by Lewis Gould
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW VI DATE: July 13, 1976
  • Oral history transcript, Sam Houston Johnson, interview 6 (VI), 7/13/1976, by Michael L. Gillette
  • ://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh Clark Clifford -- Interview VI -- 2 F: But no great effort. C: No, and the fact is that we had to draw on the troops that were within a reasonably short distance away, so we took pretty much what we could get. One
  • Oral history transcript, Clark M. Clifford, interview 6 (VI), 4/24/1970, by Joe B. Frantz
  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh O'Brien -- Interview VI -- 1
  • Oral history transcript, Lawrence F. O'Brien, interview 6 (VI), 2/11/1986, by Michael L. Gillette
  • -- XXXVIII -- 3 make arrangements to include the New Haven, so he met that condition, and I reflect that in my memo to the President. G: Was there political significance to including the New Haven? C: I don't know whether it was important vis-à-vis
  • · ,. I :i. n ~ :~· ~-. , :. -'L- o....,. !,:··:· I J.r. _. 0 ·.l~',_ ~-· •'. ·'L '.°'-_.· to from t:h cs.t \·72 S as1~ed. 'n-~~ ."i ·!,·-_ CC'El:Tli S~~io n::.r• Keppr;; l l t acti vi.·ty to the appoin·t -e d to inve stigc-it e ' • th
  • , 1989 INTERVIEWEE: JOSEPH A. CALIFANO, JR. INTERVIEWER: Michael L. Gillette PLACE: Mr. Califano's office, Washington, D. C. Tape 1 of 1 C: In connection with the [Civil Rights Act] Title VI guidelines that were issued for the school year l966
  • , with him talking and discussing different bills and other political matters\vi th senators and their aids. I stepped out of the room. During a couple of the telephone calls But the long and short of it was that I loft his office that evening, fascinated
  • one to you and O'Brien, from LBJ at the Ranch. C: Well, I was going to say he must have called Larry or had me talk to Larry and tell Larry to take the temperature on the Hill again. The thing I just note about that vis-à-vis LBJ is how frequently
  • brought up this business of civil rights. Are you referring primarily to the integration problems in tre schools? H: Yes, really to the problem of enforcement of Title VI to the Civil Rights Act. And to be legalistic about it, there's not an issue
  • ; Doug Cater; Califano; enforcement of Title VI of Civil Rights Act; first set of guidelines; trouble in Chicago with Mayor Daley; Keppel’s resignation; Dave Seeley; Pete Libassi; de facto segregation; racial isolation; teacher militancy; Education
  • resolution and you were very involved in foreign affairs. J: Right. G: How would you characterize Lyndon Johnson's foreign policy vis-à-vis the Middle East and particularly Israel when he was majority leader? J: I think he was a strong supporter from
  • into that and tells me to get into it, he then says he wants a daily report, every day, on what's going on with desegregation under Title VI. This was not an uncommon Johnson technique incidentally. We'll find when we get into 1968 or 1967 or something, he got
  • of political money--capital, not cash--on the issue of cleaning the highways up with the billboards. Those are the things I remember. He had the instinctive sense vis-à-vis clean air, clean water, protecting the land, over-development--he had an instinctive
  • really that it ran was the CAP I think that was the only one. Title VI was run by HEW; the agricultural title I think was run by the Department of Agriculture. There was perhaps some supervision by OEO [Office of Economic Opportunity], but even the Job
  • . And what in effect happened was that we used those original guidelines, those original applications rather, as a means of learning little laboratory experiments in ''lhich we would study and decide what our policies ''lere going to be. G: Was this vis
  • of the roughest experiences I had in terms of personnel vis-à-vis the President. I used to wonder whether or not at times there was something in the President that drove him to make or break a man before he put him in a job like that to make absolutely certain
  • a judgment. '!::'l~ Ccnc;ress. Do you have a style or do you just move in and state your purpose and get out? In other words, do you vary according to the Congressman? vI: The style indeed varies with the Congressman. Some of them are "hail fellow
  • [luncheons]. For example, Congressman Phil Landrum from Georgia, who had been a tower of strength for us in getting the Elementary-Secondary Education Act passed, began to have real trouble with Title VI in his constituency. And I remember one time I set up
  • opening--I think is quite realistic. And I think we have achieved both objectives. We're dealing in a pragmatic sort of way with a Communist China, as we should, but at the same time we have fully protected our security interests vis-a-vis Taiwan. G
  • opening them up and sorting thema, till got there that night, NOW way after naidnight. Your very first night there, you a jdn't find a place to stay I and yo`sx v:ere already at work? A's VI -here right. did you spend that night? I thlak in the office
  • of interest rates vis-à-vis the budget in one of his gimmicks moving interest expenditures down 1.8 billion. But at whatever point--what I was trying to find was--here it is. In February of 1966, Fowler is writing the President urging the appointment
  • crucified. And I thought the President was angry with me for what I had said, you know, for quote "being arrogant," vis-à-vis our legislation but what he said to me was, "You," he said, "don't ever tell anybody something like that. If they go up and testify
  • stimulate busing, yes. M: But that didn't have any particular repercussion in the White House? C: Well, yes, we kept a careful eye on the whole Title VI and civil rights enforcement. I was constantly aware of what the actions were that were going
  • and pne whose that it w have gone on to have sur-vi ved very well. They were men and women who . At the time make their mark in a very posit ive way o_n their times g. I was stron and ient effic I was there , I feel it was effec tive, time. I
  • Oral history transcript, George E. Christian, interview 6 (VI), 9/17/1979, by David Culbert
  • Title VI. LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh Gehrig -- I -- 3 G
  • . F: All right. Now, when you came into office here, President Johnson had been in office since the end of 1963. This means then that you more or less inherited the situation vis-à-vis the United States. What was being done with the Alliance