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Telephone conversation # 13619, transcripts, CONFERENCE CALL (with LBJ), 10/31/1968, 6:28PM (Item)

Mansfield, Everett Dirksen, John McCormack, Hale Boggs, Thomas Kuchel, Leslie Arends Pages ofTranscript: 8 pages Barbara Cline Archivist C:CD\/lrC C:CT ,,..•· ~ ,. .•' .. .~ ~; . ... ;. .1 .... ,~ ~ ttr.,/l~ October ·31, 1968 JONES: Hello
*TRANSCRIPT ONLY OF THIS CONVERSATION; THERE IS NO RECORDING; CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS PARTICIPATING IN CALL ARE LESLIE ARENDS, HALE BOGGS, EVERETT DIRKSEN, THOMAS KUCHEL, JOHN MCCORMACK, MIKE MANSFIELD; JIM JONES IS MEETING WITH LBJ; TIME FROM DAILY

Folder, "[NSC Meeting on] Report by Sec. Rusk on the NATO meeting at the Hague; Report by Sec. McNamara on his trip to Vietnam, 5/15/1964, Volume 2, Tab 4," National Security Council Meetings Files, NSF, Box 1 (Item)

Senator Senator Senator SERVICE SET Carl Hayden Mike Mansfiel d Hubert H. Humphrey J. W. Fulbright George A. Smathers Everett M. Dirksen Thomas H . Kuchel Bourke B . Hickenlooper Leverett Saltonstall . .. -2 CONGRESS (continued

Oral history transcript, Strom Thurmond, interview 1 (I), 5/7/1979, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

remember the Area Redevelopment Bill? That was the depressed areas bill. T: I remember a bill coming before the Senate. G: You opposed that and I think it was ultimately beaten by another close vote. Did Lyndon Johnson and Everett Dirksen have a good
and control over Senate voting; Mrs. Johnson; LBJ’s rapport with Mike Mansfield and Everett Dirksen; National Defense Education Bill; how LBJ dealt with Vietnam.

Oral history transcript, Charles A. Halleck, interview 1 (I), 9/19/1968, by T.H. Baker (Item)

as I know because I know many times the boys were down there. Ev (Everett) Dirksen, I found out about it through Jerry (Gerald) Ford. They were there many times you understand, and that's the way it's gotta be. Truman. I used to go down

Oral history transcript, George Meany, interview 1 (I), 8/4/1969, by Paige E. Mulhollan (Item)

any problem in the Senate, because in the Senate we felt we had a good eight or nine or ten votes to spare there--which of course we did have as time went on. have enough votes to break a filibuster, you see. But we didn't Everett Dirksen mounted

Oral history transcript, Frank Church, interview 1 (I), 5/1/1969, by Paige E. Mulhollan (Item)

Everett Dirksen onto the floor the following day to reply on behalf of the administration. I think that it is fair to say that Everett Dirksen was his principal lieutenant in support of the war in the Senate. M: And ne was on the leadership as well. C

Oral history transcript, George Christian and Harry Middleton, interview S-1, 4/1/1996 (Item)

if it was the least bit controversial. Sometimes he had the Southern Democrats; sometimes he didn't. Sometimes he had to pick off enough Republicans to get a program passed. Sometimes he had to make deals with Everett Dirksen or Gerald Ford to get enough votes

Folder, "South Vietnam and U.S. Policies [X-File] [2 of 2]," Files of Walt Rostow, NSF, Box 19 (Item)

adds : "By Saturday he had accused Sen. Everett Dirksen of a Re publican plot to sabotage peace (which ' Dirksen, ·presumably, hastened to relay to Nixon head quarters); and · by Sunday, Johnson was in direct and bitter telephonic contact with Richard

Oral history transcript, William A. Reynolds, interview 1 (I), 7/26/1978, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

their friendship or their loyalties. Johnson and Clinton Anderson of New Mexico and Kerr and [Richard] Russell of Georgia really ran the Senate on the Democratic side along with the late Styles Bridges, [Everett] Dirksen and some of them on the Republican side. G

Oral history transcript, Charles Roberts, interview 1 (I), 1/14/1970, by Joe B. Frantz (Item)

Oral history transcript, Ernest Gruening, interview 1 (I), 4/23/1974, by Joe B. Frantz (Item)

Everett Dirksen to come around on open housing bills? You know, Dirksen would always oppose the civil rights acts and wound up in the long run dragging a few Republicans in with him, enough to put it over. G: Well, Johnson was a great persuader. I mean

Oral history transcript (conversation), Lyndon B. Johnson and Ted Sorensen, interview S-VIII, 6/3/1963 (Item)

I'd let them see what these Republicans want to do about this thing. Because i,1hil e you get your message off tomorrow, my friend, probably Everett Dirksen and Dick Russell will be sitting around next Sunday over a mint julep with an understanding

Oral history transcript, Claude J. Desautels, interview 1 (I), 4/18/1980, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

; he's too good a friend." So, no, we never caved in. G: How about Dirksen? D: Well, Dirksen, he didn't care so much about contracts and that sort of thing. Did he get special accommodation? What he wanted particularly [was] the regulatory agencies
of White House tours; state dinners; value of using the Sequoia; receptions and stag dinners for Congress at the White House; Lady Bird; Air Force One travel; appointments and congressional recommendations; LBJ's persuasive powers; Everett Dirksen; dealings

Oral history transcript, Barry Goldwater, interview 1 (I), 6/26/1971, by Joe B. Frantz (Item)

know [Senator Everett] Dirksen used to plead with him [to] get rid of this group or that group. Dirksen called me one night and he said, "If you've got any LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson

Oral history transcript, Sherwin J. Markman, interview 1 (I), 5/21/1969, by Dorothy Pierce (McSweeny) (Item)

Audio diary and annotated transcript, Lady Bird Johnson, 1/17/1967 (Tuesday) (Item)

; Entertainment for dinner is Carol Channing in "Hello, Dolly!"; Carol Channing and Everett Dirksen have "same voice;" LBJ and Hubert Humphrey dance with Carol Channing; Lady Bird dances with Douglass Fairbanks, Jr.; Fairbanks speaks of President Franklin

Oral history transcript, Frederick C. Belen, interview 1 (I), 11/7/1968, by Dorothy Pierce (McSweeny) (Item)

to this conference and there was quite a heated discussion that had developed among the conferees The conferees of the Senate were Mrs . (Senate opposed House positions) . (Margaret Chase) Smith (R-Maine) was the chairman, Senator (Everett) Dirksen (R-Ill

Folder, "3 A (2) Gulf of Tonkin, 1964 - 68, 1 of 3," Country Files, Vietnam, NSF, Box 77 (Item)

e n t o f D efen se, d ated J u ly 1964 (w ith an acco m p a n y in g r e p o r t); to th e C om m ittee o n G overn m en t O perations. B y Mr. DIRKSEN, from th e C om m ittee o n th e Ju d iciary, w ith amendmc^nts: S. 3069. A b ill to a m en d t

Folder, "Presidential Decisions-Gulf of Tonkin Attacks of August 1964-Volume III, Tabs 32-33," National Security Council Histories, NSF, Box 39 (Item)

Folder, "[April 5, 1966 -1:00 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

and Dirksen. .;ANITIZED SANITiZEO 8 0. ~ . ¥: • .,, Authotit}• NSC ~-"J.1.1-€)- r'1vt..--S&o~· ~ - I ~~ ;, .J lo'°> -1'. . , SANITIZED z Luncheon meeting in t11e 1.fa.nsioa Date: April 5, 1966 -· I. .. ;,.... END OF MEETING ' r I

Folder, "July 25, 1967 - 2:47 p.m. Tuesday lunch - Rusk, McNamara, Rostow, Christian," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

in the Senate. Secretary Rusk asked what caused Senator Dirksen to make such a partisan issue of the Detroit riots. The President said he thought this was because of Congressman Ford. Senator Dirksen thinks we're too soft on communists. "But I have no evidence

Folder, "[January 24, 1966 - 6:30 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors on Resumption of Bombing]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

with Bob or General Taylor in that we' 11 gain politically . from this. I think we. ought to -- quietly -- visit with Dirksen and see how he feels. Quietly talk to a couple of Republicans in the House. Then next morning, meet with leadership, when I'm

Folder, "May 8, 1968 - 6 p.m. President's meeting with the negotiating team," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

ttoldet. W. TAe"'at Je nson now aod in the future. There are no Democrats or Republicans on this panel. an American team. This is strictly I will discuss everything with Senator Mansfield and Senator Dirksen first. Secretary Clifford is going over

Folder, "[July 27, 1965 National Security Council Meeting; Joint Leadership Meeting]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

and said .that we were running the danger of saying to Ho w~1at he wants to hear. He also said that he dicl not want Russia and China in it if b.e CO'.Ud help it. Senator Dirksen quoted President V/oodrow ·wnson to the effect that "the business at hand

Folder, "October 23, 1967 - 5:36 p.m. Democratic Leadership," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

. Those joining the meeting were: Secretary McNamara Secretary Rusk CI.A Director Helms Senator Dirksen Congressman Bill Bates Senator Hickenlooper Congressman Mahon Senator Margaret Chase Smith Senator Sparkman Senator Hayden. The meeting began at 5

Folder, "[January 10, 1966 - 1:10 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors on Bombing Pause]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

. PRESIDENT That is excellent: Speaker Boggs Long Mansfield Albert Russell Fulbright Hayden Rivers Morgan Mahon Ford Dirksen Kuchel Armed Services, Foreign Relations, Appropriations Now what about our military and diplomatic situation? announce Harriman's

Folder, "October 5, 1967 - 6:55 p.m. McNamara, Rusk, Rostow," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

Dirksen, at 72, from Chicago, can stand up and be my defender the way he has been. SECRETARY RUSK: He has a little stronger chemical than others. in his system THE PRESIDENT: Quoted parts of the James McGregor Burns book on Kennedy's quotes about

Folder, "May 28, 1968 - 6:30 p.m. Bi-partisan Congressional Leadership meeting with Cy Vance," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

of the BILL BATES: What reason are they there? MR. VANCE: They want to reach a solution on their terms. will be compromise on down the road. SENA TOR DIRKSEN: There Has instability in France affected talks? MR. VANCE: Not yet. SENA TOR YOUNG: Can

Folder, "June 19, 1968 - 1 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors - Clifford, Katzenbach, Helms, Wheeler," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

Reqoi 161 P•rml~il!Sri of Copyreghl Halder: W. ftomua Johnte,. Secretary Clifford: I had a good talk with Senator Dirksen. The Pre 1ident: I was surprised Symington waa against ua • Cannon seems against ua. Rowland Evans said we furnished Hart

Folder, "July 2, 1968 1:20-2:35 p.m. Tuesday Luncheon," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

of you see as many of these Senators as you can. We do not want to cut out any of our muscle. We will cut out the fat. Senator Dirksen is very pro-German. He does not want to open another front by drawing down his forces in Europe. Secretary Clifford

Folder, "October 30, 1968 - 4:00 p.m. President's meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

. Orders go out at 12 noon. This means stopping it - cessation - at midnight tomorrow (1 p. m. on November 1, Saigon time). We would have from 6 to 8 to work on Congress and Candidates. I talked to Dirksen once before. He wrote an article on how "we could

Folder, "August 4, 1964 Leadership Breakfast [1964 Leadership Notes]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

and to impress the seriousness of their whole attitude. The FULLBRIGHT: The point the Secretary has made is that the provocation is important. It could go on for several days. I think you ought to leave it in for the moment. DIRKSEN: If I had it to do

Folder, "July 16, 1967 - 2:15 p.m. Bipartisan Congressional leaders and Ranking Minority members of committees," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

. Yarborough Sen. Dirksen Sp. McCormack Rep. Ford Rep. Boggs Rep. Albert • i I. ' Rep. Staggers Rep. Bates Rep. Springer Rep. Arends Joseph Califano Mike lvia.natos Geo. Christian Warren Christopher Under Sec. Reynolds ' ., '• . ~ . ·~.:;.:··· •• ._ i

Folder, "[August 18, 1967 - 8:35 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors on Vietnam]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

Republicans to vote 79% for their President (Johnson) but he did expect them to do so for their country. The President said he als.o told Dirksen today. Dirksen had told the President he is worried by a great volume of mail hers getting saying someone

Folder, "September 25, 1968 - 2:04 p.m. President's weekly luncheon meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

decided this was when he agreed to serve. The President: I talked to Dirksen yesterday. Secretary Rusk: facts about Bus might pass the word to Abrams to slip out these The 3rd offensive being blunted. SVN strength improved Clark Clifford: Better

Folder, "May 7, 1968 - 1 p.m. Tuesday luncheon with Foreign Policy Advisors - Rusk, Clifford, Wheeler, etc.," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

that consultations would be helpful. I rely closely on Rusk, but I would hear from Ball, Rostow, Goldberg and Clifford. Everybody's judgment is important,if we reached point where we need the judgment of Congress, we would go to Mansfield and McCormack and Dirksen. I

Folder, "November 11, 1968 - 3 p.m. President and President-elect Nixon," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

then. being. of help should be through him. Any talk about Secretary Rusk: Dirksen's talk with Ambassador Bui Diem was helpful. Mr. Nixon: My position has been to do nothing unles ~_the _President and ~ec~~r~t;~errn~ thoughti~ ~.C>.u_ld ~e ~elp~?l. I will d

Oral history transcript, John William Theis, interview 1 (I), 12/1/1977, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

for translating that experience into [actionJ. G: How would you characterize Johnson's relations with each of his Republican T: counterparts~ Taft and then Knowland and then Dirksen? Well, Johnson had a good working, personal relationship with Ev Dirksen, who

Folder, "July 25, 1967 - 6:10 p.m. Senate Committee Chairmen," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

and that Senators Hart and Dirksen along with Senator McClellan and Senator Eastland would be appropriate members. -11 ;r MEET. # ""'.__...-.a Publication Requires PeSMission of Cop-y right Hold•r· w Tke"'os Johnson [5 of 5]

Folder, "September 26, 1967 - 1:15 p.m. Weekly luncheon - McNamara, Katzenbach, Helms, Rostow, Christian," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

ROSTOW MR . GEORGE CHRISTIAN September 26, 1967 Second floor dining room President : Walt, did you get the information to Senator Dirksen and Senator Mansfield'.? They are battling with Senator Case today. Ro stow: Yes sir. President: Nick, did you get

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