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Oral history transcript, Eugene McCarthy, interview 1 (I), 12/12/1980, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)
  • . Now they can just manipulate it and play around and act silly. But at that time it was looked upon, as the Texans say, you're up to the lick log. I think that's the way he looked at it, it was part physical challenge and he thought it was worth