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  • LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh INTERVIEW WITH MR. BOB PHINNEY PB
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  • Friendship with LBJ; Dr. Bob Montgomery; LBJ couldn't stand mediocrity; Ink Lake Park Project; Herman Brown; depression; WPA and NYA projects; C.N. "Pap" Avery; investigation of Army Mail Service; 1946 campaign plans; Senator Alvin Wirtz; KVET Radio
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  • . was long and involved here. Bob Hanger, a good friend of mine, was a lawyer on the other side representing Texas Power and Light. I think'the latter part of Wirtz' professional career undoubtedly was taken up in big part by a running feud
  • to California; LBJ’s Uncle George; LBJ’s election to Congress; Bob Jackson; Charlie Marsh; occupational alternatives to NYA appointment; E. H. Perry, Sr,; Joe Bailey; Ferguson family; 1941 senatorial campaign; WWII experience; third-term issue.
  • was going to be dependent upon us, hoped that we would do everything we could to help them get things started. for him. course. We p~omised that.we'd pullout all the stops All of us were very impressed with him from the start, of He was just that kind
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  • concerned with the efficiency of the operation and avoiding any scent of corruption, and very concerned with how much it cost to put a girl or boy to work. Was this a [concern]? K: Oh, that good management quality was there, as you would hope it would
  • Corps. To some extent I at least, and I think he and I thought alike, reflected the thinking of Bob McNamara, with whom obviously I talked a good deal and who felt that the Job Corps was the best idea in the package. Now, some of the other ideas
  • /loh/oh 21 was my particular concern and its urban renewal program which was some of my concern. Bob Wagner, who was Mayor of New York then, called me and said that he understood that Jack Kennedy wanted to see me; that he was interested in talking
  • with much gusto and stimulate our enthusiasm for beautiful language. And I remember there was one speech [by] Bob Ingersoll. You know who he is, don't you? Well, Bob Ingersoll was a great speaker maybe seventy-five years ago, a public speaker, and many
  • persisted for the next i t~o or three years, during which time I had no further contact whatever with the future President. PAtTL BOLTON: Well, Dr. Bob, when did you next make contact \,i th the President? ROBERT MONTGOME~Y: '-[hat was the occasion
  • come see him. I voiced the hope that he might be interested in becoming NYA state director. If he was interested I would make an appoi.ntment for him to see Aubrey Williams when Aubrey returned to the city. My recollection is that he was obviously
  • of that group and came to the University for, I hoped, a full-time basis. It turned out to be part-time. G: How did you come into contact with Lyndon Johnson? L: He put out the word that he wanted an information officer. A friend pointed out
  • which he had nothing to do with and cited it as an instance of Lyndonls astuteness. I donlt know. Just what the occasion was It was either before or after the President wi.thdrew, but Pearson said, "My one-tirne partner Bob Allen and I wrote this. " I
  • . Employment Service office to be opened in Belton and financed by the Texas Relief Comm"ission. I was to be the employment officer, so to speak, because we had hopes that we would be getting projects into the area that would be suitable for hiring some
  • conflict between them, the talent hunt objective and the patronage objective. In fact, I think there was some general consensus that we got fewer suggestions from the patronage side than we might even have hoped to have. M: What about the normal operations
  • . G: How about BOB? What was their position throughout this . . . ? Y: Well, there wasn't a BOB position, there was a [Charles] Schultze[William] Capron position, and I think they were more inclined to be sympathetic with our notion of a program
  • said, "lId like that job." And he told So we got busy and we got hold of Bob Jackson who was secretary--it was either Bob Jackson or Arthur Perry, I've forgotten which,that was secretary of Tom Connally; and then we got in touch with~retary
  • think it I think it was rather thinking that maybe he wouldn't be here, and then maybe he would have another enemy. G: Do you know if they tried to discourage him from running.? I think Dr. Bob Montgomery might have tried to influence him there. R
  • with a certain prestige; and among these was the prestige with Dick Russell and leaders of the Senate. my senior Senator, was a very great friend of his. Bob Kerr, And other members of the Senate who had been a part of the Senate "establishment," shall we say
  • and Martin. Then after Mr. Bob Calvert, Robert W. Calvert, who's a contemporary of ~lr. Johnson and former speaker of the [Texas] House, now chief justice of the Supreme Court [of Texas], was elected to the Supreme Court in 1950, we moved down with his
  • , "Ain't any woman alive going to tell me how to put my britches on!" (Laughter) So the Vice President said--I said something about I hope his lumbago gets better or something--"Well, D.B., I think in a week or so we'll know whether it's lumbago
  • days and then as a delegate to the national convention in Chicago, long with Alvin Wirtz, Roy Miller, Frank Scofield, and Bill St. John and any number of political--Bob Holliday from El Paso and others. F: You served in the Texas legislature for awhile
  • . Drought I think was an attorney originally and a banker perhaps. He certainly didn't have LBJ's warmth and devotion. included some very fine people: General Bob Smith, engineer from Texas A&M; McNugh I?], I believe, who's now dead. competent professional
  • at [his home]? I think they lived at Dr. Bob ~10ntgomery's at this point on San Pedro. Getting the NYA people together for weekends and going over regulations, things like that? r~: No, I don't remember anyth i ng abou t tha t. (Interruption) He were
  • congressional office, but always with the hope of completing his law degree here. He carne to me several times in a very fine sort of way, and L. E. might not want me to tell this, but he was strapped. I helped him in a very small way but I know basically
  • time he was our favorite son nominee for president. F: Was this just to hold the delegation, or did you think something might work out? T: Of course, a lot of us hoped it might work out. I doubt that he thought so. LBJ Presidential Library http
  • with the NYA, was consciously the beginning of a political career? Do you think he had that hope in mind then of coming to Congress later? Did this help to build a political base for him? RR: Bill, I don't know whether he had it in his mind. I would think so
  • largely restricted to buttonholing. D: Yes, meetings at night and over the weekends and times like that. F: There is a story that I like and hope it's true that you offered him your savings account at that time to help underwrite a campaign
  • to be of assistance in setting up the school and college aid program. At the end of thirty days, money, rules and regulations had not come forward ~s soon as the President had hoped they would and he went to Dr. Woods, with my hearty approval, and requested
  • , and they kind of like a dead fish's tail shook hands with me. do it. Springs. I tried to provoke conversation and couldn't Finally I said, "Well, I think I'm going on up to Sulphur I'm running for Congress, I hope you remember that, and I hope you'll vote
  • everybody else. G: Sure. Anything else that we haven't covered? M: I think we have drained me pretty dry. If I think of something I'll get in touch with you. G: Okay. You can just add it to the transcript, too. in as an appendix. M: I hope you've
  • . But in the meantime, we were waiting and hoping that we would be seated. There was Mayor Tom Miller of Austin, and there was Creekmore Fath, and Fagan Dickson out of Austin, and Walter Hall of Dickinson--he was a very prominent banker, and still is, and a very dear