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Oral history transcript, Joseph Laitin, interview 1 (I), 2/2/1976, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

for Washington and in 1963 came back here to see what was going on and ran into Kermit Gordon, who was then director of the Bureau of the Budget, and Elmer Staats, who was then deputy director. Respectively, Kermit Gordon is now president of Brookings and Elmer

Oral history transcript, Joseph Laitin, interview 4 (IV), 6/19/1977, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

. In those days I used to use the Secret Service out at the Ranch to keep track of his movements. Sometimes they were cagey about it, but mostly they were cooperative. They told me that they were then having lunch with the President. I thought that he'd

Oral history transcript, Joseph Laitin, interview 2 (II), 2/12/1977, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

Service agent from Paris comes in and says, "Listen, this is putting me in a very awkward spot. I depend on the Ambassador here in the Embassy for cooperation. We have a very important relationship here. If he finds out later that I knew you were here

Oral history transcript, Joseph Laitin, interview 3 (III), 2/13/1977, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

of Garnett Horner. Jack Horner was the President's lap dog. He would write anything we wanted, and he cooperated [with us]. I must say that when you are on the other side, it is beautiful having somebody like that there. But I also kind of liked him. He later