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Folder, "October 18, 1967 - 7:30 p.m. Rusk, McNamara, Katzenbach, Rostow, Kissinger, Fortas, Taylor, Clifford," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

saw Phan Van Dong. He saw them within an hour after they returned to Pariso At that point they knew nothing of the history of negotiations. He took down notes of our meeting and sent them to the department. I have some indication of Bo's eagerness

Folder, "October 29, 1968 - 6:28 p.m. Foreign Policy Meeting," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

put . ~ I: We need to get Ellsworth back in touch with Thieu. It. is a very unhappy situation. One possibility is November 4. They will try to hold up until after our elections. My own preference: try for the 4th, or say arrangements have been

Folder, "[November 20, 1968 Meeting with Tuesday Luncheon Group]," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

recommends it. The President: Let's do it. Secretary Clifford: Welll send out an order today. DIPLOMA TIC SITUATION Secretary Rusk: Congress would murder us with Thieu acting like he's acting now. vVe are short of measures. 2 of 4 M!!Tir~o NOTES c6'ViiOHT

Folder, "October 30, 1968 - 10:10 a.m. Foreign Policy Meeting," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

: It is a pure question of when you all are agreed on statement. Thieu plans to talk at 7 :00 p. m. Washington time. What does Bus say? General Wheeler: midnight. The President: We can is sue orders at midday - - stop bombing by Can we agree on how

Folder, "October 29, 1968 - 2:30 a.m. Meeting with the President's Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

of the bombing.'' Meanwhile, we received through the Soviet Embassy in Paris a side message from the Hanoi delegation that they would agree to the participation of the GVN after bombing stopped. On this basis, we went to President Thieu. He said "so long

Folder, "[November 7, 1968 Foreign Policy Meeting - Family Dining Room]," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

Rusk: A new peace plan. Thieu won't see Bunker until tomorrow. We should see how Nixon can get out of this as soon as possible. Bill Bundy or I could go down to Key Biscane. I would be opposed to Nixon going to Saigon. emmis sary like William

Folder, "October 29, 1968 - 1 p.m. Tuesday luncheon with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

? . NARA, Date (;. -.:;J.1)_!'1 ct=l? , MEETING NOTES COPYRIGHTED Publication Requir" Permiuion of Copyri_ght Hofdw: W. Thomas Johnson Secretary Clifford: I thought final clearance with Thieu was mere formality. I thought we said -- now, here's the time

Folder, "June 22, 1968 - 8:45 a.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

are interested in what Secretary Rusk has to aay. Why are you ao worr'ied al:out Saigon. The President: There ii instability between Ky and Thieu. He doesn't like sitting in the back row after all of the command positions he has held. CIA Director Helms

Folder, "October 22, 1968 - 12:50 p.m. [Notes of Meeting with Rusk, Clifford, Wheeler, Rostow, Christian, Johnson]," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

. WALT ROSTOW: With the ambiguity in Thieu's statement, Ambassador Bunker should ask Thieu whether we could live through it. THE PRESIDENT: I worry about the morale. SECRETARY CLIFFORD: There is a missing factor here. what happened since last week

Folder, "November 11, 1968 - 3 p.m. President and President-elect Nixon," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

was talked over with Thieu. By the end of June Thieu and Ky had agreed that this was the best practical way to proceed. In July, Vance spelled out the your-side, our-side formula to Lau. Nothing came of it, however, at that time. In mid-September

Folder, "Speech, October 29, 1968," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

for peace. Last weekend the essential understanding we had been seeking with the North Vietnamese on the critical is sues between us was reached. And today -- jointly with President Thieu of the Republic of Vietnam -- I have ordered that all air, naval

Folder, "October 22, 1968 - 1:15 p.m. Tuesday lunch with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

announcement between you and Thieu. Secretary Rusk: (Statement, Insert B) 9:00 p. m. Friday, 9:30 Television Statement. Thieu will go on too. The President: When do we stop? Secretary Rusk: Noon our time Friday. George Christian: It will leak

Folder, "April 6, 1968 - 1:30 p.m. President's meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland - Washington, D.C.," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

Pern1issie" ef (Qpyr~ht HlS"fder: W. Ihomas Jahnsen 11 -e=;;, '-.. - 4 RF and PF fought well except in 4th Corps. Enemy made maximum use of weapons. ARVN weapons. Only 2% did not. They were superior to ·r As for government, Thieu is gaining statue

Folder, "August 10, 1968 - 12:25 p.m. President's briefing of Former Vice President Nixon and Gov. Agnew," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

and unbending. We will stop bombing under right conditions. PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS: We have tried to come up with formula to let us stop the bombing with no public Vance: They have refused to suggest anything at this point. will not permit the Thieu-Ky

Folder, "October 27, 1968 - 7:45 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

. Thieu is concerned about the NLF being separate entity. This might leak out of Sai.gon. ~ecretary Rusk: It might leak out on basis of the orders issued. General Wheeler: Yes, it might. They will pick up the fact that the planes are flying

Folder, "October 28, 1968 - 6:30 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

. GENERAL TAY LOR: He should say he hasn 1 t settled the war. is just another step. It WALT ROST OW: Should Bunker inform Thieu alone that you might make a decision tomorrow? THE PRESIDE);T: How does this differ from before when he leaked

Folder, "September 26, 1967 - 1:15 p.m. Weekly luncheon - McNamara, Katzenbach, Helms, Rostow, Christian," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

overseeing group thought the Thieu-Ky election was a fraud. The President asked Director Helms to check this and if it is not true, get the information to the Senator. Secretary Katzenbach: Reported on tre Rusk-Gromyko talks which were underway in New York

Folder, "October 5, 1967 - 6:55 p.m. McNamara, Rusk, Rostow," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

in Vietnam this year. We should talk about Honolulu when we asked them to draft a constitution; we should talk about Manila, when we asked them to elect a President; we should talk about Guam, when Ky and Thieu gave us their constitution; we should talk about

Folder, "October 3, 1967 - 6:10 p.m. Rusk, McNamara, Rostow, Helms, Christian Robin Olds and Col. Cross," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

of the Politburo. We need to stir Thieu and Ky up to probe around more with the NLFo Bunker should ask Thieu and Ky to get something going. This one is purely our thing" We need to get them going on somethingo Mr. Ro stow: It would be excellent for Thieu to say

Folder, "November 21, 1967 - 8:30 a.m. VP, Rusk, McNamara, Bunker, Komer, Wheeler, Westmoreland, Helms, Rostow," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

are serious. The key is the establishment of confidence with Thieu about this type of dialogue. The President said there are four areas for immediate attention. The first is the expediting of additional troops to Vietnam. The second is the equipping

Folder, "October 30, 1968 - 4:00 p.m. President's meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

Thieu making speech? The President: Make it the day after tomorrow if possible. Secretary Rusk: What about the timing? The President: Announce it at 7 p. m. tomorrow. Clark Clifford and Dean Rusk background, perhaps even appear on television

Folder, "November 26, 1968 1:45-2:25 p.m. Foreign Policy Meeting," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

interesting that issue was never raised of bombing during the talks there except hitting the bridges over the Yalu River. Walt Rostow: The report says they want peace, but they won't come on their knees to Thieu. .' ... .. . ' . •' - 4 Secretary

Folder, "October 14, 1968 - 1:40 p.m. Foreign Policy Advisory Group meeting," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

said if I Thieu concurred in instructions given Harriman and Vance. There is a later cable. He is ready to go along to try to see if they are serious about stopping the war. A message was sent to Bunker to examine loop-holes and.contingencies

Folder, "[March 20, 1968 - 5:08 p.m. VP, Rusk, Clifford, Fortas, Bundy, Bundy, Jorden, Rostow, Christian, McPherson, Goldberg]," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 2 (Item)

be Critics) of our pos~~ition believe we're inte~t on creating a constitutional and democratic gover!".ment by pursuing last VC until he is dead. They see capacity of VC to bit the cities. I do not think we can move Thieu to a Greek solution

Folder, "May 8, 1968 - 6 p.m. President's meeting with the negotiating team," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

3. The matter of reconnaissance. South and have their intelligence. We must have this. They are in the 4. Important political issues. Go ahead and get their views on more formal talks and views on terms for settlement. Thieu and Ky suggested "our

Folder, "April 30, 1968 - 1:25 p.m. Tuesday luncheon with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

(8-85) April 30, 1968 Sec. Rusk wants to add: 1. Bunker's present plans: hoping to go to Katmandu May 9-140 2. Further modifications and enlargement of Barrell Roll area in Laos. 30 Mr. Rostow's idea: Possible Thieu initiative with NLF

Folder, "May 14, 1968 - 1:10 p.m. Tuesday lunch with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

. The President: Are you concerned about Thieu's problem in forming a new cabinet. Secretary Rusk: Yes, but Ky will go along if there are no changes in Generals. Walt Rostow: The "deal" is that Ky will be main negotiator in "your side, our side" situation. CIA

Folder, "November 26, 1968 10:21-11:11 Foreign Policy Meeting," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

. On October agreed language with Thieu to announce this, but when came to the hurdle he would not jump. There will be a good deal of confusion. They are shotting at our reconnaissance planes and there have been violations of the DMZ. Briefed on NA TO. Briefed

Folder, "September 17, 1968 - Tuesday lunch with Foreign Policy Advisors ," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

B for Thieu 1 s appreciation. 3. ·~ Gene Black in Cambodia. (Sec. Rusk} See Tab C. ··:·":' Report: Cambodians totally negative • . · , : ..:. -' ' ~ . · "~· 4. . Pueblo. (Sec. Rusk

Folder, "October 15, 1968 - 1:20 p.m. Tuesday Luncheon," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

Times story by Rick Smith and Marvin Kalb at 8:00 a. m. today may be put together. The President: Tell Bunker to get Thieu moving on telling his people now. Thieu must tell Ky, Prime Minister, and Defense Minister and draft a statement. The President

Folder, "October 14, 1968 Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisory Group," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

are there. We m1!Jlst look at the contingencies and how we deal with them - - the marginal infractions and rocket attacks. Secretary Rusk: We made it clear to the Russians and to Hanoi. General Taylor: Abrams and Thieu said they may propose a ceasefire