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  • themselves out of the water before we would even have a chance to orchestrate some public understanding or congressional understanding of the idea. That was number one. Number two, timing was very important, vis á vis other things we were doing. When would we
  • encour­ aging remarks there. M: Well, that was bigger contact then. L: Oh, yes, it was a much bigger contact we had. M: You might talk about that a little bit. That was right before Apollo VI II? L: It was just before the launch of Apollo
  • though they don't like it because they think it goes too far in the dictates of their political situation." And then, of course, underlying all of it was the feeling that always exists in Congress vis-a-vis the party or vis-a-vis the executive branch
  • commitment to the vi abil ity of Israel. As a member of Armed Servi ces, a deep obligation to see that these people get the weapons necessary to defend themselves. The foreign aid picture has been clouded in recent years because Israel has run out
  • be provided by the Library to researchers upon request. (5) Copies of the transcript and tape recording may be deposited in or loaned to institutions other than the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library. Ar i vi st Date·~ 2.~1, /f72
  • problem. G: Did you ever vi sit LBJ in Washington? M: Many times, at his office and his home. G: Can you recall your discussions during these visits? M: At home it was always just pleasure, but at his office we talked business. G: Was he helpful
  • wants to say, "Well, a pretty good job was done on it." That's not news, as you and I knOl'l. [vi: Right. LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ
  • by the Library to researchers upon request. (4) (5) Copies of the transcript and tape recording may be deposited in or loaned to institutions other than the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library. VI / . . 7 _7 _/ F' Dono.r Date I / \ \. Date {/ . .
  • in, which was to the effect that the Supreme Court. was going to solve the problem of the use of federal funds in a nondiscriminatory fashion,and that actually it might not be necessary for Congress to legislate. Of course, they did under TiUe VI
  • was there. What I was concerned about is what many people criticized the President [for], and that is an overemphasis in Vietnam. I was concerned about it primarily because I thought that he hurt his policy; he hurt his position vis-a-vis Vietnam by concentrating
  • that there was in the conference dissatisfaction with the administration of Title VI of the [1964] Civil Rights Bill, particularly with regard to education. Do you recall that being an issue in the conference? F: There were a lot of issues; there were a lot of kind
  • VI, suspension of funds, the President never interfered even though we were regularly reported to about HEW's action to cut off funding for schools if they didn't comply with Title VI. Even, I remember, it came when I was getting calls from
  • problem. Then, when we planned joint briefings, it was usually with the Gennans or the British or some one of that '='-'De nower. ryroblems arose an them. -~e'd decided :.) :>av, 1nd ·ve .ocavee1 preccy much :)ne ~vi th ~eforenand what ~e were
  • . Miller lived in Corpus Christi. Welly Hopkins was a state senator from Gonzales. G: Rut he L: Yes. v! ass t i 1"1 tea chi n9 vI hen you VI e n t 0 u twit h him? LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT
  • to assure your destructive capability vis-à-vis the opponent if he strikes you first. We have attempted to support the Administration's policy decisions, once they have been made, on the size and characteristics and deployment of ABM's as well as offensive
  • : Too many Secretaries of Commerce. M: That's what I was going to ask. weaken Commerce vis F: ~ Why so many; and does having so many vis some of the other Departments, perhaps? I don't think there's any question that it does. I think continuity
  • that as these are retired at the end of the Vi,etnam difficulties, then you f 11 be able to take up the slack by the increased commercial use and the renewed emphasis on the commercial arm of it that you were talking about. LBJ Presidential Library http
  • , the Vi ce Pres i dent was more often than not in the room. ~ ness of him j~ Now, my conscious- those days, 1962, early 1963, encompassed primarily, however, an awareness of a man who was there and was quietly leaned on by the President with respect
  • , and of course the biggest problem was vis-à-vis Portugal because the Azores was a vitally important stopping point. It's not quite half- way, but being able to stop to refuel meant that our planes could carry twice the payload. And about, I don't know, 75 per
  • or state attorney general did you have any relationship \'/ith him? H: ~'Jell, not to amount to anything. Supreme Court. I can't remember any on the I don't remember that at all. I came through vJashington when I was attorney general one time and vis
  • , yes. the candidate. I didn't want to spend my time with For heaven's sake, he can take care of himself. was trying to reach people that he wasn't reaching. F: vi d you get any sort of i nci denta 1 benefi t from thi s, when you offered yourself
  • of the relationship beb/een Congressman Johnson and f'k. [Carl] Vi nson, the chairman of the parent commi ttee? C: Yes I did. I saw that at rather close range. S: It's often been described as a kind of protégé-type relationship. Is that right? C: Well, I don't
  • in the position eventually of doing what you fellows did vis-à-vis Europe--managing our own industry eventually and taking over . It seemed reasonable, and this was the thesis that I always mentioned to the American community, which I think most of the American
  • to the Community Action Agency not being a program-operating agency, but to plan, to coordi­ nate, to be the fiscal agent vis-à-vis the federal government, be responsible for the fiscal surveillance of the grantees, of the delegate agencies . But that programs
  • with the primary interest in our trade problems, particularly vis-à-vis Europe because that was my area of assignment, and also having some rather strong thoughts which I still have about the inadequacies of our trade promotion program, I started out
  • of a misstatement, because from the very beginning it was more a matter of word than deed. In fact, Justice never really developed a strong coordinating responsibility. We did under Title VI of the '64 act which vested in the executive agencies the power to withhold
  • , h e n eeded me to come that particula r Friday because o n Monday Secretary Mc Namara was leaving for Vi e t Nam and the Pr es ide nt wanted me to go with Secretary Mc Namara to Viet Nam . So I had to ge t my shots and pas s port and all
  • Valley Authority vis-à-vis its relationship with and its performance towards Negroes, and I spent three or four weeks down there doing this. F: You have been credited with having obtained high appointments for several Negroes, most particularly
  • was the link between the two, or introduced them, or something like that. P: I would think it's probably true. I would think so. Herman Brown had the same res pect for l\1 vi n .Johnson had. \~i rtz Because, that Lyndon They both \'Ioul d go to A1vi n wi
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  • that the states bordering on New York would have about the same vi ew as New York does on the need for controlling guns. So I don't think that the leakage problem is that serious if we could find a way to make every state impose some form of handgun licensing
  • : No, not at all. Well, maybe I shouldn't say not at,all, but this was not a problem. M: Our minorities were very small. The other consideration of course would have been that these tend to be very 1i bera 1 peep1e towards such subjects as c i vi 1 ri'ghts
  • of the same for them. F: Do you have a sort of a rightfielder's position in this vis-a-vis the State Department and its operational function? I'm thinking about, you know, the old thing that the rightfielder ought to pay his way into the ballpark because he's