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Oral history transcript, James R. Ketchum, interview 1 (I), 7/26/1978, by Michael L. Gillette
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- . B. West to go with me. I can recall going up to Clark Clifford's office, which then seemed to me about half a block long, and sitting down. Clark Clifford talked and talked and talked and talked. He talked for at least forty-five minutes. I didn't