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Oral history transcript, Joseph A. Califano, interview 27 (XXVII), 4/19/1988, by Michael L. Gillette
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- no recollection of it but I'm sure I was on the phone. There, it would really be under the direction of O'Brien or somebody, with Henry Wilson on the House side and Mike Manatos on the Senate side, who would say, "You better call X, Y, or Z." Sometimes, I don't