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Oral history transcript, Ellsworth Bunker, interview 1 (I), 12/9/1980, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

the political aspect; Westmoreland, the military aspect. [Nguyen Van] Thieu and [Nguyen Cao] Ky were both there; both spoke, Ky at greater length than Thieu because Ky was acting as prime minister. Thieu was head of the council then and Ky the more active

Oral history transcript, William C. Westmoreland, interview 2 (II), 7/25/1985, by Charles B. MacDonald (Item)

unity of effort, and only after [Nguyen Van] Thieu[Nguyen Cao] Ky took over did we know who was really running the country. Unhappiness and perplexity pervaded the whole country, con- tributing to a lack of cohesiveness. The people viewed Saigon

Oral history transcript, Charles Timmes, interview 1 (I), 11/6/1985, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

: I'd love to. I have heard from another source that you were forbidden from contacting Big Minh in the last year or two of the [Nguyen Van] Thieu regime. Is that not true? T: That's not true at all. G: I'd heard that Graham Martin-- T: As a matter
personnel carriers (APCs) in the pacification program; the Buddhist crisis of 1963; Duong Van Minh, also known as "Big Minh;" the coup lead by Nguyen Khanh; Timmes' relationship with Big Minh through 1985; John Paul Vann and his relationship with Huynh Van

Oral history transcript, Jean A. Sauvageot, interview 1 (I), 7/25/1984, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

back to Saigon and later he ran for the National Assembly and was a well-known national assemblyman, who President [Nguyen Van] Thieu arrested, but that's another story. But he was imprisoned by both the Thieu regime and by the Communists later and he

Oral history transcript, Ellsworth Bunker, interview 3 (III), 10/12/1983, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

to the bombing halt and the March 31 speech. In The Vantage Point LBJ says that President Thieu was satisfied with it. B: Yes. G: Is that your--? B: Yes. G: If the bombing had been important in maintaining the morale of the South Vietnamese, how then were
Appointment as ambassador by LBJ; Guam Conference, 1967; impressions of Nguyen Van Thieu and Nguyen Cao Ky; Vietnam's presidential election campaign in 1967; religious factions; advice to Thieu; recommendation for U.S. to close Viet Cong's use

Oral history transcript, Ellsworth Bunker, interview 2 (II), 12/12/1980, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

called back? Was this a spontaneous decision to want to review [the situation]? B: Yes. The President simply wanted to review the situation, what had happened in six months, seven months, since [Nguyen Van] Thieu had taken over. And Westmoreland I

Oral history transcript, Rufus Phillips, interview 2 (II), 5/27/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

, they really were ex- traordinary. John O'Donnell we put down with the touchiest province chief that we had to work with but who was also the best, who was Colonel [Tran Ngoc] Chau, the guy that got thrown in jail by [Nguyen Van] Thieu, and then when
the Vietnamese wanted to accomplish; the Buddhist crisis of 1963; programs involving pigs and fertilizer; progress reports and their depiction of events vs. eye witness accounts; coup in Vietnam; Ed Lansdale; Big [Duong Van] Minh; Diem’s assassination; John Paul

Oral history transcript, Douglas Pike, interview 1 (I), 6/4/1981, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

Van] Thieu's secret then, do you think? P: Well, I think Thieu and Ky made a very good team in that Ky did have the charisma and he had the indifference to power. He gave the indi- cations that he didn't care that much by threatening to resign
; the intelligence community; Thieu and Ky; self-immolation; the Tet Offensive; the Phoenix program

Oral history transcript, William E. Colby, interview 2 (II), 3/1/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

the secret apparatus.That was Phoenix. Well, I'm fairly simple about this, because I say that the combination of the three, and the number-one priority that President [Nguyen Van] Thieu and Ambassador [Ellsworth] Bunker and General [Creighton] Abrams gave

Oral history transcript, Bui Diem, interview 2 (II), 8/14/1986, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

Thieu, the group of, by then, and Colonel Vuong Van Dong, the whole group who organized the coup of 1961. G: To your knowledge, did the Americans know about this coup beforehand? D: I didn't know about it. We knew at that time that something
of fighting communism; coups against Diem in 1961 and 1963 and the coup of 1964; U.S. awareness of coups and commitment of troops in 1965; Diem's contact with the U.S. Embassy as minister of the prime minister's office; Diem's work under Nguyen Cao Ky in 1965

Oral history transcript, James R. Jones, interview 4 (IV), 1/28/1985, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

for himself, but the right decision for our country, for what they were doing in Vietnam. He was aware of that; he was aware of the need to inform them. But I suspect that's the reason why. G: Now, do you recall President [Nguyen Van] Thieu's reaction
Democratic convention; LBJ’s relationships with Nguyen Cao Ky and Nguyen Van Thieu; LBJ’s 1969 farewell address to Congress; the Fortas/Thornberry Supreme Court incident; LBJ farewell get-together at the White House; LBJ’s problem with TV appearances; Robert

Oral history transcript, David E. Lilienthal, interview 1 (I), 6/18/1969, by T.H. Baker (Item)

there would be in Vietnam, to be dealing with economic matters which turned so largely on political conditions, was premature. But he waved that aside and turned out to be right. We did put in a report that I presented to President Thieu in May and a couple
Ky; Robert Komer; Tex Goldschmidt; Nguyen Van Thieu; RMN; Khrushchev; Max Milliken; William Westmoreland; William Gaud; Henry Kissinger; Phil LaFollette; Mike Monroney; Abe Fortas; Harold Ickes.

Oral history transcript, Jean A. Sauvageot, interview 3 (III), 8/14/1985, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

Republic, but they were never really effective. But President [Nguyen Van] Thieu's Land to the Tillers program was implemented in a very serious manner. It really did result in getting land out to the tiller. So they called it the Land to the Tiller program

Oral history transcript, Frederick Flott, interview 2 (II), 7/24/1984, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

[Nguyen Van] Thieu, who, at the time--or Khanh or whoever it was--I forget the older man who was president for a while, he used me to help get the message across. G: Gosh, there were so many. F: Yes. Anyway, so a lot of these people didn't read English
Returning to Saigon following the JFK assassination; Robert McNamara’s December 1963 visit to Vietnam; January 1964 Khanh coup and alleged French involvement; what the French might have wished for Vietnam; Christmas 1964 in Dalat; Tran Van Don; Le

Oral history transcript, Robert E. Lucey, interview 1 (I), 10/19/1968, by Dorothy Pierce (McSweeny) (Item)

cameras and confronted by several reporters. asked me if I thought there was any religious element in the election. They The reason for the question was that the leading candidate for president was a Catholic. His name was Nguyen Van Thieu. The vice
; Archbishop Binh; Angelo Palmas; Nguyen Van Thieu, Nguyen Cao Ky; Latin American ambassadors meet in San Antonio; St. Francis Xavier parish in Stonewall; the Committee for Peace in Vietnam; assessment of LBJ and CTJ.

Oral history transcript, Don Oberdorfer, interview 1 (I), 6/3/1981, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

think I mean, twenty reporters their hands and so forth, and sort of gather around and listen and then-- G: I understand he made good copy when you could get him going . 0: Oh, to sure he did . Yes, he did . see [Nguyen Van] Thieu

Oral history transcript, William R. Desobry, interview 1 (I), 2/14/1983, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

to a meeting in their capital--I'm trying to think of what the name of the capital was; I can look it up on the map here. I went to this meeting with [Nguyen Van] Thieu and [Nguyen Cao] Ky, and at that time Ky was number one and Thieu was supposedly number two
of its citizens; Nguyen Van Thieu and Nguyen Cao Ky's leadership; which areas were under Viet Cong control; pacification activities such as digging wells and setting up schools; State Department involvement in providing services to small Vietnamese towns

Oral history transcript, George Jacobson, interview 1 (I), 10/29/1985, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

and problems along the line, and there really wasn't any stability in the government from then until Nguyen Van Thieu and General [Nguyen Cao] Ky came into the government. But these three generals had a great opportunity, and they fluffed it. Everybody's got

Oral history transcript, Frederick Nolting, interview 1 (I), 11/11/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

the Buddhists? N: Yes, yes. I know that, too. Surely, in the beginning, because the Buddhist leadership had not been taken over by Thich Tri Quang, who was in my opinion a communist agent and who was branded later on as such by President [Nguyen Van] Thieu

Oral history transcript, Daniel O. Graham, interview 1 (I), 5/24/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

and saying that one of the contenders for power was [Nguyen Van] Thieu, and he said, liThe real problem with Thieu is once again a traditional Catholic is on the scene with all the drawbacks that involves." So I think the general liberal view against
Biographical information relating to Vietnam; fall of the Diem regime; Thieu; General McChristian and order of battle techniques; discrepancies in the figures; the crossover point; "The Uncounted Enemy;" actions of General Westmoreland; Giap

Oral history transcript, Barry Zorthian, interview 3 (III), 5/26/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

messages to the Vietnamese, to [Nguyen] Khanh, who had just overthrown Big [Duong Van] Minh, "no more coups." G: I've heard it quoted slightly-- Z: Taylor was with them, perhaps one of the greatest scenes of all history. They were the two most unlikely

Oral history transcript, Robert Komer, interview 2 (II), 8/18/1970, by Joe B. Frantz (Item)

“pacification”; comparison of Ky and Thieu; differentiating between ambassadors in Vietnam; working with General William Westmoreland; Bill Moyers; problems with being the only full-time high-ranking government official workingon the Vietnam situation; who

Oral history transcript, Edward G. Lansdale, interview 2 (II), 9/15/1981, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

Oral history transcript, Arthur Krim, interview 5 (V), 4/7/1983, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

that Madame [Anna] Chennault had sent to I guess it was [Nguyen Van] Thieu or somebody in South Vietnam saying, "Don't cooperate in Paris. It will be helpful to Humphrey." I'm not giving you the words, but the gist was wait for Nixon. He said at that time
; Hubert Humphrey at the 1968 convention; Krim’s involvement in the Humphrey campaign; LBJ’s behavior during Humphrey’s campaign; George Ball and Averell Harriman; Humphrey’s tactics in the 1968 campaign; a cable that Anna Chennault sent to Nguyen Van Thieu

Oral history transcript, John Bartlow Martin, interview 1 (I), 1/30/1971, by Paige E. Mulhollan (Item)

Oral history transcript, Frank McCulloch, interview 1 (I), 5/13/1980, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

doubt that any of them would have been able to identify specifically that it would be a coup and certainly I don't think they would have been able to say that Big [Duong Van] Minh and Tran Van Don would run it. But there was an awareness among the more
Biographical information; reporting from Vietnam; press in the advisory war; Diem regime; correspondents’ activities; networks of sources and information; view of Vietnam; Buddhist-Catholic strife; Hoa My; rural-urban dichotomy; factions; Nguyen

Oral history transcript, George McArthur, interview 1 (I), 10/31/1985, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

who were in charge of aircraft, which meant the generals. It extended up to Cao Van Vien, who was the commander-inchief. The focus of drugs at that time, up until 1968, was opium, and the money it was made in supplying primarily the Chinese community
Timmes' communication with Duong Van Minh; McArthur leaving Vietnam; protection of the U.S. Embassy building until the last helicopter left Saigon

Oral history transcript, Bruce Palmer, interview 1 (I), 5/28/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

Oral history transcript, Elbridge Durbrow, interview 1 (I), 6/3/1981, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

[NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh Durbrow -- I -- 26 have shot it all at Diem and knocked him all up, but they stayed loyal to Diem and [Nguyen Van] Thieu and [Nguyen Cao] Ky and the rest

Oral history transcript, Samuel T. Williams, interview 1 (I), 3/2/1981, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

there in 1952 and took command of the 25th Infantry Division. General Van Fleet, one of the best in our army was 8th Army commanding general. I stayed with that elite division and that assignment up until the time I left Korea, which was shortly after
sects; Foreign Legion; French evacuation; President Diem; Nguyen Van Thieu; Nguyen Cao Ky; land reform; relocation; highlands; borders with Cambodia and Laos; hot pursuit; Montagnards; Vietnamese officers and military organizations; Civil Guard; Self

Oral history transcript, Phyllis Bonanno, interview 4 (IV), 2/18/1984, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

. And then all the frustration of the Paris peace talks. Well, I'm jumping a little bit ahead of myself here because I'm getting into post-election and all the last minute negotiating that went on. In July he went off to meet with President [Nguyen Van] Thieu

Oral history transcript, William J. Jorden, interview 2 (II), 3/20/1985, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

he's living in England. He would be an interesting man to talk to. G: I think [Nguyen Van] Thieu is in England. J: Thieu is in England, yes, a few miles outside of London. Madame Nhu is outside Rome. G: Yes, I heard she was-- J: You ought

Oral history transcript, Stanley Karnow, interview 1 (I), 4/30/1984, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh Karnow -- I -- 6 later became a prime minister; Vu Van Thai, who was an economist

Oral history transcript, John Michael Dunn, interview 1 (I), 7/25/1984, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

up to the last. This picture on the wall here of my getting the National Order from General [Nguyen] Thieu there, standing by General [Alexander] Haig, see. So, you know, I did not drop all knowledge of or interest in Vietnam at the end
staff; Edward Lansdale; General Taylor; Robert McNamara; David Nes; Rufus Phillips; Charles Bohannon; Lucien Conein; Dunn's eyewitness to the Diem coup; Pham Ngoc Thao; PLF (VC); Article 32 investigation of Dunn; Father DeJaeger; Tran Van Don; Big Minh

Oral history transcript, William J. Connell, interview 1 (I), 3/18/1985, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

there for Congress and failing. She's involved in the whole arms control intellectual community. There was a young fellow named Frederick T. Van Dyk, Ted Van Dyk, who came with us about 1963 or 1964, and who took on some of the aspects of foreign policy. He is now

Oral history transcript, Sid Davis, interview 5 (V), 11/28/1990, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

like a kidney stone, but it went away. I'll try to make this fast as I can. We went to Guam with the President to meet with President [Nguyen Van] Thieu and [Nguyen Cao] Ky in 1967. It was a summit conference. The war wasn't going well. The President

Oral history transcript, Keyes Beech, interview 2 (II), 5/30/1983, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

was although he was a devout He was not like some Catholics I can mention, some Vietnamese Catholics, like [Nguyen Van] Thieu . Thieu married a Catholic, and he was a very, very nominal Catholic, however . He was a Catholic because it was politically

Oral history transcript, Bruce Palmer, interview 2 (II), 11/9/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

the South. The mission--Ambassador [Ellsworth] Bunker and [Sam] Berger and Westmoreland and [Creighton] Abrams and so on there got together and pressed [Nguyen Van] Thieu to get going now; here you've got an emergency situation, because you've got a lot more

Oral history transcript, Phillip B. Davidson, interview 1 (I), 3/30/1982, by Ted Gittinger (Item)

there very crestfallen, and I said, "You know, I can't help but say this: I told you so." (Laughter) Well, I think that's enough on that. G: That's a good story. 0: I've got a chapter in the book on all of [Vo Nguyen] Giap's major opponents

Oral history transcript, Leonard H. Marks, interview 2 (II), 1/26/1976, by Michael L. Gillette (Item)

/show/loh/oh L. Marks--II--28 I reported that there was indeed a crescendo President. of support for the United States' withdrawal from Vietnam. Several months later election. the Vietnamese held a national President [Nguyen Van) Thieu was elected

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