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  • , and it's ap- proximately eleven a. m. in the morning. We are in Nr. Goulding's Pentagon Offices and this is Dorothy Pierce. Nr. Goulding, you have had a long career as a newspaperman from 1947 to 1965 with the Cleveland Plain Dealer, of which a majority
  • plain old hard core Dallas establishment, you couldn't have gotten anything together to compare with this grand jury. And again, this is where my sense, my experience, my perspective perhaps differs from yours today. I could see where we were going
  • said, liMy God, this is my administration. is Kennedy. I called Steve Young, And by God I'm delighted. This is my party. This Tell the President on my behalf I'm personally going to call the editor of the Cleveland Plain LBJ Presidential Library
  • , Z K R used to be number 2 in the 1$72 delegation to Harlan Cleveland in Paris, and who is a first-class officer. And he has a rather large group of people under him Z K R really work in direct liaison ZLWth the Pentagon at all levels, and he is so
  • to benefit. This is true in Cleveland where we've got a laboratory; it's true in California, where we've got two 13 LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More
  • ://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh Brown -- I -- 1 9 they stick to the plain English?" We got to talking about
  • out.to "get Johnson.·" F: A lot of these wheeler-dealer charges that went on. that follow Mr. Johnson through the years really stem from this campaign, didn't 'they? P: Yes, and I suppose you could say some of it stemmed around the · fact
  • Wheeler-dealer charges; Gene Autry; 1948 Senate campaign; helicopter; Coke Stevenson; George Parr; State Democratic Executive Committee, 1948.
  • and was going to give it to him. Well, Jenkins told me later that Lyndon just jumped all over him for telling me about that. Well, it wasn't a question of him telling me. It was right there in plain sight, and I couldn't help but see it. I don't know why
  • little they were paid. But you were given freedom to go into town and take part i.n things. So, I was such an enthusiastic New Dealer and such an admirer of Mr. and Mrs. Roosevelt. LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY
  • . My chief activity was with Marvin Jones, and then the Agriculture Committee, on both sides of the Capitol. But I knew him as a young New Dealer, a fellow, congenial New Dealer. And then of course I became better acquainted with him during our
  • of the Northerners that if they would only let this modest bill go through, they would get a better bill later.So he was playing it out of both sides. B: Did that kind of thing ever get him in trouble? M: Oh, it contributed to the "wheeler-dealer" part of his
  • , however. G: How did you get it through? H: Just by plain hard work and lobbying the living daylights out of people and getting the cooperation of some of my colleagues, like George Aiken on the Republican side, on it. G: Did Johnson help you
  • , as well as of the South--more probably western than southern. I've heard him talk about the ties that they had with the West--The Spanish background, the large Spanish-American population, the Great Plains regions. A lot of Texas, of course, is completely
  • duties; Willard Wirtz; Harlan Cleveland; David Truman; Brewster Denny; Gardner Ackley and Livingston’s intended trip to Italy to see him; the candidates’ abilities to work with/under LBJ; riding in Air Force One from Austin to D.C. with LBJ; LBJ playing
  • was a great New Dealer in my own thinking, not with any government association although I did do a little WPA project at one time. But Johnson, when he got involved with the youth-F: ._C: National Youth Administration . National Youth Administration
  • was heavy-handed; he was high-handed, he was a dealer. You could go to him in private and say, "I'd like to get this done. Now how am I going to do it?" And he'd say, "Well, you do this for me and I'll do that for you." He was a great back scratcher. I don't
  • . I walked in and I thought, well, he's been out mowing the yard, these must be shorts for mowing the lawn. They were just plain old boxer shorts. in. He was dressed I was the only woman there. The heck they were! He was unfazed by my walking
  • ://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh Provence -- I -- 15 P: Oh, yes. Yes, we went down, Harlon Fentress and a man named Kultgen here, a Ford dealer-M: How do you spell that? P: K-U-L-T-G-E-N, Jack Kultgen, J. H. Kultgen. and just a real leader among men
  • -52 assault I saw, and they went down a ridge line. This was at the Ia Drang. There was an enormous massif to the west of Ia Drang Valley, and I can't remember the name of it. It loomed up four or five thousand feet off the plain there. The B-52s went
  • maybe they were--1 don't know what motivated. them--jealousy, fear that this could make him Presid~nt, that they didn't want him to be, or whatever it was. They simply would not cooperate. B: Was there any just plain snobbishness in there, too? s
  • represented kind of the wheeler-dealer image and not the liberal image. I remember particularly John Silber had been antagonistic toward me on it, wanting to know why I couldn't have gotten someone with more intellectual content. M: This is when Silber
  • : Did he ever express that thought? R: No, but it was plain. He never said it in those words, plain just fron listening to him talk. grasped that. that point. Even [c. bu~ it was so Van] Woodward~_ the historian,. He wrote an article
  • --see, this is before I worked for Johnson. G: ~las it R: No. that Elk Hill [investigation]? It involved some New Dealer that was very unpopular with the oil interests. G: Oh, Leland Olds. R: Leland Olds! That is exactly it. Now, Leland Olds
  • that. They were part of whatever little machine there was. In Cleveland, Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, you really had machines, fairly active machines. In Pittsburgh, there was a Republican machine. Not Pittsburgh, Harrisburg. Pittsburgh, we had--all right
  • to pass would probably raise more questions than answers. To get back into the chronology of these years, the two succeeding summers, '66 and '67, the summers after Watts, also saw urban disorders--Cleveland's Hough area in '66; in '67 Newark, Detroit
  • the time to get on. That's just plain, common, ordinary pol itical sense, because Lyndon Johnson can win it in the court battle." very much. So he came back, "I got Joe for you." I thanked him And then I'd get another one that got Joe for him, you
  • in the House, you know, except on rare, rare occasions. He didn't spend much time listening to others in the House. He usually voted and then left the chamber, loping off the floor with that great stride of his as though he was on some Texas plain. If he
  • problems? Did you have to do more than the usual amount of just plain old grub work and book counting and that sort of thing? N: The thing that concerned me most in working with the presidential thing was this whole business of confidentiality. F: Yes
  • . R: Oh, and how! G: Arthur Larson was called on the carpet for some of the statements he'd made abroad about the Democrats and the New Dealers. 15 LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org More on LBJ Library oral histories: http
  • at these meetings. You might discover some weak spots or some situations that could be corrected, and I think the report of the meetings reflects that approach. Now, for example, if you were in Cleveland and had a regional meeting and you found there was a potential
  • in the race supporting FDR all the way, including the court-packing fight. That put him in immediate friendly relations with Ickes, who was very strong on the court issue, and a lot of other of the more left wing, if you want, New Dealers. he was a friend
  • Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh HUGHES -- I -- 26 F: What age? BH: Oh, maybe thirty-two~ a beautiful girl, very thirty-four. plain~ emissary for the Soviet Union. She had
  • . If that thing were investigated any further they would have been going back to 1789 and the use of smoke signals by Indians out on the western plains. You know, there is a certain time where people get punch-drunk in these things. They investigate
  • that got to know all the young New Dealers, a lot of them through me, I may say, but he cultivated them. He quite early seemed to know where the buttons for power were. F: In cultivating them what did he do? Just call them, see them with some frequency