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Folder, "[Briefing Papers for Meeting with Senior Advisors, December 1, 1967]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 2 (Item)

CONG QUESTIONED BY BRIGADIER GENERAL NGUYEN OF NATIONAL POLICE. BUT LOAN WAITED THREE OR FOUR DAYS BEFORE RELAYING THE INFORMATION , VICE PRESIDENT KY CKEE> HIS MENTOR. KY RELAYED THE INFORMATION TO PRESIDENT THIEU , WHO REPORTEDLY , S ANGERED

Folder, "[Jack Valenti Memo of February 11, 1966 re: Honolulu Conference]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

, IN WRITINe, T.HE POLICY OF THE US AND VIETNAMESE '3CVER NMENTS. . ·· 3. IMP~E:SSION OF KY AS LE.~DER AND HUMAN ~:!NG IS UNIVERS.~LL Y GOOD. HIS PRESS CONFERENCE AND GENERAL D::~~E:A~!()~ MAD~ DEE? AND L.~srnm Ir1PRESSION. ~013L~:~ AS I SEE IT ON VP TRIP

Folder, "[April 4, 1966 -7:10 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors on Vietnam]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

a communist takeover at the Assembly. Rostow: Government has President: not been credible. Why and how? Rostow: Ky was going to call a group to draft a constitution - - and hasn't done so. President: Rostow: What are problems in calling it? Not getting

Folder, "[April 2, 1966 -1:30 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

. Once research done: In other emergency periods-- isn't our position much better overall, economic, etc., than in other such periods. On Vietnam: 1. Make every effort to keep Ky. But be ready to make terrible choice. Perhaps take a stand in Thailand

Folder, "June 4, 1968 - 1:45 p.m. President's Tuesday Luncheon," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

Abrams and Ambassado:i:?er called on Ky. He was in a black mood. He talked of resigning e. men lil'ei19g shot up by our helicopter. We have a potential problem with Ky and General Tha•g. Killing his allies has put him very down in the dumps. It is a very

Folder, "July 12, 1967 - 1:05 p.m. Meeting to hear McNamara report on trip to Vietnam," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

. operations had been reduced from 800 on his last trip to 30-40 on this trip •. i . On the political front, the Secretary reported: ·- The "greate_st . ~angertt I I is facing us. t A possible split betwee·n Ky and Thieu. 1· i The r.e is "no· real

Folder, "July 25, 1967 - 2:47 p.m. Tuesday lunch - Rusk, McNamara, Rostow, Christian," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

would be asked to specify which countries it would eliminate if the re is a cut back in foreign assistance funds. o Secretary Rusk said that Senator McClellan planned an investigation of corruption in Vietnamo "Ky intimate s will be invol ved . 11

Folder, "April 9, 1968 - 8 a.m. Camp David meeting with Rusk, Clifford, Wheeler, Bunker staff," Meeting Notes Files, Box 2 (Item)

province chiefs and will be putting in more, increased taxes by decree and put tax bill to the assembly, ten draft laws on various subjects, closed black market and bars and nightclubs. He and Ky are working together better. On April 2 their joint press

Folder, "November 8, 1967 - 10:03 a.m. National Security Council," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

handwriting. 5. There are some differences between Ky and Thieu, but Ky told me that he will do his best to cooperate. 6. The South Vietnamese Army is not a superior force, but General Abrams told me there has been much improvement in the ARYN. There were

Folder, "[January 11, 1966 - 1:05 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors on David Bell's Return]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

Authority who is good man. Through the coming year need to take series of steps which will improve the port. Can't be done now because of administrative set up. Recommedd Ky establish a single-headed Port Authority - - put tough guy in charge. Put high

Folder, "May 25, 1968 - 1:54 p.m. President's meeting with Foreign Policy Advisers," Meeting Notes Files, Box 3 (Item)

to divide off Ky. Secretary Rusk: He's taking wait and see attitude. Director Helms: It is dangerous - Ky keeping his generals close to see if Thieu goes too far. The President: Should Ky come here with Thieu? about it. Ask Bunker to think Secretary Rusk

Folder, "August 5, 1967 - 1:49 p.m. Clifford, Taylor, Rusk, Nitze, Ball, Rostow, McPherson, Christian," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

counts show. It was agreed that the infiltration rate give the most fuzzy figures. retary Nitze said we just do not know what the precise figures are. Sec Mr. Clifford made the following points: (1) There were valuable visits with Ky and Thieu. (2

Folder, "November 8, 1967 - 9:42 a.m. Vice President and Walt Rostow," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

not deserve U.S. support. The Vice President said that Thieu and Ky have lowered the draft age and have established a very good blueprint for progress. co:NFIDi:NTTAL M!E ilNG f~OfES COPYAIQMfEO a.,~li1.•tiert A•cr"ic°' .. SERVICE SET P.,tm11u10A ef

Folder, "[Briefing Papers for National Security Council Meeting, May 10, 1966]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

toward representative government, etc.; {f) encourage unity of Directorate and promote reconciliation between Generals Ky and Thi; (g) encourage candidate qualification language that would disqualify "agents of a foreign power 11 or other terms rather

Folder, "[July-August 1967 Meetings with Correspondents]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 3 (Item)

asked for the President 1 s . views of comments on the Hill that were critical of the Thieu-Ky attitude toward the South Vietnam elections. The President said some mistakes were being made, but that we might be surprised there were not more. Even in our

Folder, "[January 22, 1966 - 12:00 noon Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors on Resumption of Bombing]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

that is the case, why don't we sit down with Ky and tell him. McNamara: Because it would leak. We haven't told the U.S. people. Rusk: I think we'll see a drop in morale if we don't resume. Ky told me we talk about their country without telling them

Folder, "[September 5, 1967 - 1:05 p.m. Tuesday Luncheon]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 2 (Item)

. The President said he hopes they (Thieu and Ky) show action even though all the election returns are not in yet and even though they have not been inaugurated. The President said "instead of Dzu taking the headlines, Thieu and Ky should fill the news

Folder, "June 22, 1968 - 8:45 a.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

are interested in what Secretary Rusk has to aay. Why are you ao worr'ied al:out Saigon. The President: There ii instability between Ky and Thieu. He doesn't like sitting in the back row after all of the command positions he has held. CIA Director Helms

Folder, "October 5, 1967 - 6:55 p.m. McNamara, Rusk, Rostow," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

in Vietnam this year. We should talk about Honolulu when we asked them to draft a constitution; we should talk about Manila, when we asked them to elect a President; we should talk about Guam, when Ky and Thieu gave us their constitution; we should talk about

Folder, "February 28, 1968 - 8:35 a.m. Gen. Wheeler"s trip to Vietnam discussion with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 2 (Item)

of the senior U.S. commanders. I also talked with Ambassador Bunker, President Thieu and Vice President Ky. There were a number of factors which surprised me. I certainly learned things I did not know before: The TET attack was very powerful and nationwideo

Folder, "May 14, 1968 - 1:10 p.m. Tuesday lunch with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

. The President: Are you concerned about Thieu's problem in forming a new cabinet. Secretary Rusk: Yes, but Ky will go along if there are no changes in Generals. Walt Rostow: The "deal" is that Ky will be main negotiator in "your side, our side" situation. CIA

Folder, "October 29, 1968 - 1 p.m. Tuesday luncheon with Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

Vietnam from being overrun. We have invested 29, 000 dead and $75 billion. We must be careful not to flush this down the drain. But we do have the right to expect cooperation from South Vietnam. Thieu and Ky agreed to this. Bunker said they needed more

Folder, "[February 24, 1966 Meeting with Congressional Leaders]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

, it isn't the best place for R. C. {presum ~bly Red China) either. ·westrnoreland is great soldier. Backed by high caliber civilian team. Thie u a ~d Ky are men of high l~ adership. Don't know how long th~y'll survive. Thes e r:ie n a re t r ying to d o wha

Folder, "October 29, 1968 - 2:30 a.m. Meeting with the President's Foreign Policy Advisors," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

have passed it. They are at How much trouble is the President having? General Abrams: He is stronger. to him. The Prime Minister is a great boost The President: Is Ky a threat, a dangerous threat? General Abrams: He's not helpful. Thieu

Folder, "[December 21, 1965 Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

in Saigon is signed on -- they are getting to Ky now. This evening the Vietnamese - will be making a statement. It's a good statement. Having urged this on them, I wouldn't want to take the play away from them. I can't say anything tomorrow. If we have

Folder, "[November 11, 1968 - 3:00 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors and President-Elect Nixon]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 3 (Item)

with Thieu. By the end of June Thieu and Ky had agreed that this was the best practical way to proceed. In July, Vance spelled out the your-side, our-side formula to Lau. Nothing came of it, however, at that time. In mid-September the President, through

Folder, "November 15, 1967 - 2:16 p.m. Bunker, Rusk, McNamara, Wheeler, Helms, Rostow, Christian," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

in the government - - most improved. There has been a change in the political situation for the better. There now are local people getting involved in local government at the village level. We are urging Ky and Thieu to put land control in the hands of the local

Folder, "May 8, 1968 - 6 p.m. President's meeting with the negotiating team," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

3. The matter of reconnaissance. South and have their intelligence. We must have this. They are in the 4. Important political issues. Go ahead and get their views on more formal talks and views on terms for settlement. Thieu and Ky suggested "our

Folder, "August 10, 1968 - 12:25 p.m. President's briefing of Former Vice President Nixon and Gov. Agnew," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 3 (Item)

and unbending. We will stop bombing under right conditions. PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS: We have tried to come up with formula to let us stop the bombing with no public Vance: They have refused to suggest anything at this point. will not permit the Thieu-Ky

Folder, "October 29, 1968 - 6:28 p.m. Foreign Policy Meeting," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 4 (Item)

about the NLF. Questions of procedure must be taken up. Saigon cannot be ready for November 2 because Thieu and Ky cannot be ready. They do not want to participate in what the President is trying to do. 2. The President has been urged to stop

Folder, "[January 3, 1966 Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors on Bombing Pause]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 1 (Item)

people see Cha.val. President: Rusk: Chaval made some statements, didn't he. Yes, but it was out of context. Rusk: In Korea, Formosa, Thailand, there was some worry about their security. President: How did Ky take it. Rusk: · He took it well when Lodge

Folder, "[September 15, 1967 - 7:27 p.m. Meeting with Foreign Policy Advisors]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 2 (Item)

on that recommendation." ~~~~W~=~~----------------------~· The President asked what is happening in Vietnam. Rusk replied "we are getting·~Thieu and Ky working together now, and that is the primary concern. " The President said "we should get Bunker to get them to put

Folder, "[April 4, 1968 - 3:50 p.m. Meeting with U Thant]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 2 (Item)

back in six months. South Vietnam was concerned about this, but I thought we had to show that we were not colonizers and we were only interested in self-determination. At Manila, Ky accepted this. It was a Clifford plan. The President continued

Folder, "October 14, 1968 - Foreign Policy Advisory Group meeting," Meeting Notes Files, Box 3 (Item)

never to talk to the "Thieu-Ky clique/' was now prepared to acknowledge the reality of the GVN. This means that there can be no settlement in Vietnam without the assent of the GVN. We have always said that there would be no problem in having the views

Folder, "[September 6, 1967 - 11:09 a.m. Meeting with Vietnam Election Observers]," Meeting Notes Files, Box 2 (Item)

. "They came in freely and they voted freely." He said the problem now is one of unification and he did not know if Thieu and Ky are up to it. They are schooled in the authoritarian tradition, Muskie said. James Antell, National Jaycee President, said

Folder, "August 17, 1967 - 6:20 p.m. Meeting with Freshmen Republican Congressmen," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

than I expected. Ky is putting in 65, 000 men and dropping his draft age. go to war, nobody wants to die. Nobody wants to W ., are not in a stalemate. We expect to receive more troops from Australia, Thailand and from Korea. Don't kid yourselves

Folder, "September 26, 1967 - 1:15 p.m. Weekly luncheon - McNamara, Katzenbach, Helms, Rostow, Christian," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

overseeing group thought the Thieu-Ky election was a fraud. The President asked Director Helms to check this and if it is not true, get the information to the Senator. Secretary Katzenbach: Reported on tre Rusk-Gromyko talks which were underway in New York

Folder, "[July 1967 - May 1968 Meetings with Correspondents]," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

us any cooperation we will in return cooperate with them. There are no big decisions looming. The problem is how to get free and honest elections and not have a coup. Ky denies he said some of the things he has been reported as saying during the last

Folder, "October 3, 1967 - 6:10 p.m. Rusk, McNamara, Rostow, Helms, Christian Robin Olds and Col. Cross," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

of the Politburo. We need to stir Thieu and Ky up to probe around more with the NLFo Bunker should ask Thieu and Ky to get something going. This one is purely our thing" We need to get them going on somethingo Mr. Ro stow: It would be excellent for Thieu to say

Folder, "November 21, 1967 - 8:30 a.m. VP, Rusk, McNamara, Bunker, Komer, Wheeler, Westmoreland, Helms, Rostow," Papers of Tom Johnson, Box 1 (Item)

that President Thieu and Vice President Ky have almost identical priorities which is encouraging. The President asked if President Thieu States. planned to come to the United Ambassador Bunker said yes at a later date when he settles down the government a bit