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  • to Vietienne was delivered. to Bunker has not be en. The message THE PRESIDENT: Somebody asked me how I read accurate accounts of what Hanoi is doing. I tell them I read leaks from the State Department in the New York Times. SECRETARY CLIFFORD: We may get
  • McNamara said he proposed nothing new until next Tuesday. 1 would like to have a week go by to check the accuracy of what we are doing. 11 Secretary Rusk: There appears to be no ascertainable connection between some of these targets and winning the war. We
  • will. The President: Resumption of reconnaissance flights. Clark Clifford: We stopped reconnaissance north of 20th parallel during delicate period. When do you want us to resume it? General Westmoreland: My opinion is that we need good intelligence MIGs SAMs New
  • not do much better. General Wheeler: The Vietnamese appointed General Minh to run the Saigon defense -- ARVN, police, RF and PF. The President: Would you brief us, Dick. (CIA Director Helms) Director Helms: There are new elements around Khesanh
  • . Secretary Rusk: I think they should be tough on the pilot of the DC-8 which was downed in Russia. Secretary Clifford: We handled that well. The plane is released. We made quick apologies. It could have been an equipment error. It was a new plane. General
  • They'll give us what we ask for. We are okay for 1969. We're in trouble in 1970. It will cost $1. 5 billion to find out what a new bomb will
  • ~uia er ~sstnof.::= M • 'II T6a n - 3 ­ Let's concentrate on our embassies, Saigon and Hanoi between 6 - 8, or 7 - 8. Secretary Rusk: Times will be "ungodly" in Australia, New Zealand. Walt Rostow: 6 p. m. EST = N Z EST 5 p. m. is Secretary
  • : I think they are good. Clark Clifford: They are firm and tough. They are what is needed. Secretary McNamara: Very good. The President: Is there anything new on the Pueblo? CIA Director Helms:. They moved the Pueblo into a new position
  • between Secretary Rusk and Foreign Minister Gromyko in New York on October 6. Meanwhile, I di.5cussed our three points with Ambassador Harriman, whom I saw on September 17, and with Ambassador Vance, whom I saw on October 3. Both fully understood our
  • . Then we will really have a new war on our hands. _q'QPSECRET MEETU"G ~cfOTES COPYRIGHTW PLf.l;:J.ieetioA RGlgtrirel .f.!lrmiuieA ef Copy.eight H.older: VI. ThomaJ Johnson [2 of 7] "If we take this action it would be absolutely essential to consult
  • WHEELER: In the period from late December to late January, they moved in 30 battalions of North Vietnamese or about 18, 000 new combat troops not including support. The total with support would be about 30, 000 to 35, 000 not including fillers
  • under the Dove's attack. I have talked with a number of people. We have left Ho with the impression that we are leaving the country. We have got to be very careful. I am going to have a televised news conference later this week. I am not going
  • the situation of more Thai troops will be a new burden on General Westmoreland rather than a benefit. He pointed out the reason for needing to get more Thai troops into South Vietnam was to teach them how to defend themselves., The Secretary said that more
  • are in a position now -- with the ratio change of support to combat troops -- to step it up steadily. We have good logistics now and there has been considerable AR VN improvement. I believe the new government is corrunitted to their program. ought not try to shove
  • Program. The President read parts of the Job Message, pointing out there is "a new social consciousness among businessmen in this country today." The President then read a later CIA report on the ship captured by the North Koreans. The President
  • and all of you are against corruption. You should point out how much corruption and crime we have in places like Houston, Washington, New York City, and Boston. The President: What can we do if diplomacy fails? Secretary McNamara: We have ten items put
  • Rusk) leaves today I wanted to hear from all of you. Give him your views and advice. 4. We were helped by Secretary Clifford's and Secretary Rusk's news conferences this week. 5. I am worried about the situation in Saigon. Secretary Rusk: thinks
  • : The Deputy Prime Minister wants 50 Phantoms right away. The new argument was that the Czech experience will encourage other actions in the Mid-East to take the spotlight off of Czechoslovakia. He said the Arbas will not begin to make peace until they know
  • to Thieu and his people and a new Administration. We know this is a decent, honorable deal. All your advisers can live with it. This seems to be in the other camp's hands. definitive plan. I do not have a strong The President: We have never gone so far
  • . a For months, there was no movement in the talks. were deadlocked. They Then, about six weeks ago, they entered a new and critical phase. As an agreement began to take shape, I conducted a series of intensive discussions with our allies, and with the senior
  • Rusk: A new peace plan. Thieu won't see Bunker until tomorrow. We should see how Nixon can get out of this as soon as possible. Bill Bundy or I could go down to Key Biscane. I would be opposed to Nixon going to Saigon. emmis sary like William
  • ages from ZO to 18. The Australians, Thais, Koreans, New .Zealanders and Filipin.o s should be asked to car.ry more of their share of the burden. The Secretary said he was refer~ng to combat troops. On the subject of moraie, the Secretary reported
  • the New York State poll which shows strong Jewish support. Secretary Rusk: We still have a good deal of time to work out a formula on the Middle East. It is my feeling that we should put it in the Security Council rather than in the General Assembly. We do
  • should tell them that we have seen nothing new out of this exchange and that we are prepared to terminate the dialogue. If they have a different idea about it, of course they are free to let us know what those ideas may be. We should say that we assume
  • Carolina, the boy from New York. Our folks came from different parts of the world; we are different ages; we are all equal particularly when we sit around the breakfast table on an aircraft carrier. The good Lord doesn't recognize whether you are Scotch
  • and if I could get back in bombing when we need to. General Wheeler: I don't see anything new and startling in the Kosygin letter. COPY LBJ LIBRARY ­ - - - - - - ;Yr£ET11'1G NOIES COPYRIGHT~D _e,,blieaticn Requir8f f-ht Hol~ Johnson - 5 - This may
  • . Secretary Rusk: Abrams expresses considerable confidence. But if Hanoi demands new government in Saigon it might appeal to the New York Times. We will reject it. We do not want a 'give away 11 schedule. George Christian: They will cooperate for a period
  • e he is personally involve d; for example, when Rusk was to talk at NATO about -the outlook of th e new administr a tion on NA TO. Replyin g to telegrams to Nix on. On the NPT, there was, in effect, solicitation of his support for Senate
  • : Totalitarian governments are organized with a town leader, a block leader, a precinct leader, and even a house leader. Any new individual ~M&Hl~JG ~lOTl!i COP¥idd ·H5". 0 Publicaliou Require5 Pei mission of Copy• ight Hel.l•F• >Na lhomos Johntoft - 7
  • the job. Archbishop Makarios has indicated a willingness to present a new constitution to the Turk Cypriots. The Secretary General wants to. get the parties together. i The President: Is there anything Goldberg can do that he is not doing? ! Joe Sisco
  • · problem. We need a new look. The effects of Vietnam are hurtilg the budget and foreign relations generally. !r The President said, "Bill, everybody doesn't have a blind spot like you do. You say don't bomb North Vietnam on just about everythin~. I don't
  • think they are the best we can find. My staff has been going into the cities. on the conditions in the cities. Most are new proposals. They have been reporting to me I do not see why we should spend all our time fighting each other. When I was Senate
  • . The President: That may be true. Clark Clifford: I hope we do not have to ask for a completely new program. This is a bad time to do it. On one hand the military has said we had quite a victory out there last week. On the other hand, they now say
  • . They need the 7th day for maintenance. It is interesting that the firm is opening a new plant in Charleston, S. C. This will get production up from 200 to 300 / month. THE PRESIDENT: Do we want to talk over this strategy change with Congress? CLIFFORD
  • Wheeler CIA Director Helms George Christian Bromley Smith (in Walt Rostow' s absence) Tom Johnson The President: I want a report from General Taylor on the whole situation regarding this new wave of demands to stop the bombing and all of the facts about
  • would like to get back. I will go into CamRanh. The President: The NSC met -- it was bad news. do it for four reasons. 1. 2. 3. 4. They said we couldn't Unconstitutional, More time needed, November 2 is too quick, Harriman insulted them, saying
  • of a fellow Socialist Republic. We think it would be good for the President and Kosygin to meet. We want to know about the NPT coming back. 1. Would a new committee hearing be needed? 2. What kind of vote would you expect? 3. How much
  • from Hanoi is a hard one and this may be because they feel they can get a significant psychological or military victory south of the DMZ at some point. Or they may think that the political structure in the south will come apart under the new
  • the airfield. It does not constitute clear and present danger to us now. South of the 19th parallel, there are 50 new trans-shipment points. Benefit of bombing is only temporary. South of the 19th parallel our methods are effective. We had 3, 000 sorties
  • to be informed and I am going to try to do what is right. It's knowing what is right that is important. We have got to find new ways, but I ask you what would you do if you were President tonight? Would you do the following: (1) Would you pull out of Vietnam