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  • : January 11, 1974 INTERVIEWEE : MRS . JACQUELINE KENNEDY ONASSIS INTERVIEWER : JOE B . FRANTZ PLACE : Her Manhattan apartment in New York City Tape 1 of 2 First part of tape missing (35 feet) F: Let's continue, then, our broken interview
  • See all online interviews with Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • ; JFK's staff vs. LBJ's staff; Kennedy Rose Garden; William Manchester's book; not voting in the 1964 election; LBJ's campaigning for RFK's Senate campaign
  • Onassis, Jacqueline Kennedy, 1929-1994
  • Oral history transcript, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, interview 1 (I), 1/11/1974, by Joe B. Frantz
  • Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
  • that he met with Robert Kennedy at the White House. LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • on Caroline's tricycle, and the fat hit the fire with that, you can see. Kennedy started chewing on his cigar and look- ing stern and didn't look anywhere, and all of us began having a slight case of cardiac arrest as this thing was read. When he got through
  • of Senate Democrats; John Sparkman; Paul Douglas; Paul Butler; Matt McCloskey; Americans for Democratic; Charlie Murphy; Albert and Mark Lasker Foundation; 750 Club; Ed Foley; Liz Carpenter; Ralph Hewitt; Bob Berry; Dave Lloyd; Jack Kennedy; Ted Sorenson
  • . You ' re Kenneth O' Donnell, and your off icial pos iti on 1·1 i th the Johnso n Administration was as specia l ass istant to t he president from the time he took offi ce, a job you continued in from t he Kennedy Adm i n i stra t ion , on unt i l
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • Shriver during the 1960 campaign. was at Princeton. paign. I That would have been my senior year during the cam- I worked for the Johnson-Kennedy ticket during that campaign. r was doing my senior honors thesis for the School of Public and Inter
  • of the John F. Kennedy Oral History Project, and I assume you have made a tape for it. 0: Yes, I have already. I did not particularly touch on President Johnson. B: Yes. We'll probably cover some of the same time from a different point of view
  • , as you said, you became an assistant to the Solicitor General in the Justice Department. P: The first time I met Mr. Johnson is partially a further answer to your question. After I came into the Department of Justice, President Kennedy had a tradition
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • , which [John F.] Kennedy did not have, of the Chiefs of Staff as much and of the military establishment as such. B: He generally respected it? K: Yes, I think he did. B: To move on. I think he did, and does. Again, you say in your Memoirs
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • Davis -- I -- 11 G: Did your coverage at the White House change after Kennedy became president? D: Yes. My feeling was that during the Kennedy years, a lot of the people who covered the White House, who covered Kennedy at the White House, were
  • was on inaugural day when the assignment of those in the seminar was to listen to the Kennedy Inaugural, and then write me a paper on what it augured for the future stature and style of the presidency. By that time I had already moved down here in response
  • The role of Civil Service Comission in loyalty and security program; his work as president of Wesleyan College; becoming Chairman of the Civil Service Commission in the Kennedy administration, 1961; working with Vice-President Johnson on equal
  • . Kennedy campaign for the 1960 Presidential LBJ Presidential Library http://www.lbjlibrary.org ORAL HISTORY TRANSCRIPT Lyndon B. Johnson Library Oral Histories [NAID 24617781] More on LBJ Library oral histories: http://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • ; contact with LBJ; Lady Bird; access to the President; Kennedy Round; comparison of LBJ and JFK staffs; support of RFK after 3/31 announcement; LBJ request not to actively support a candidate; difference in general agricultural policy between LBJ and JFK
  • was covering Congress. As it turned out, the Congress came back, you remember, in 1960, for the "Rump Session," so-called. As the rookie in the office, I was the only one around and I that entire cov~r~d session, Kennedy and Nixon and Johnson
  • thinking about him then as a candidate? H: I hadn't thought of him as a President at that time. had not developed. The main interest He had been through the '56 convention with rJohn F.] Kennedy and he was there--Mr. Johnson was there--with Dick
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • strong for one thing. And looking back on it we do indeed now know that Kennedy could have been in some trouble if Wyoming hadn't switched its votes at the last minute. meant a second ballot. That would have We do know that Symington would have picked
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • pitch to and convince them to vote for Johnson. Two of the delegates were black dele- gates, and they were irretrievably committed to John Kennedy. Then I talked to two other men, both of whom I found out later were hack politicians out of New York
  • in the 1960 campaign; dating Mary Margaret Wiley (Valenti) and their marriage; LBJ’s possible frustration as vice-president; events leading up to the assassination of President Kennedy.
  • . B: Did you see or [lear any signs of presidential ambition, say, in 1956? S: I didn't. I was not that close to him. I was not in Chicago in 1956 \vhen Jack Kennedy almost got the nomination for vice president, so I really \vas not that close
  • ; LBJ’s efforts in Vietnam; Martin Luther King’s assassination; working on the Commission for Federal-State Relations; LBJ inheriting JFK’s staff; being offered a federal appointment; LBJ deciding not to run in 1968; LBJ’s relationship with Robert Kennedy
  • work for the Kennedy project. H: Yes I did. There were a couple of things. First, the members of the council during the Kennedy Administration, not all of them, but a group of us got together with Paul Samuelson and Joe Pechman. M:. Was Kermit
  • it was not that favorable that he was considered in 1960, for instance. candidate for President. He was not considered by our people as the ideal You know, he was a candidate in 1960, and of course lost out in the convention to John F. Kennedy. When he was selected
  • First meeting LBJ; Labor’s opinion of LBJ in the Senate and support of Kennedy-Johnson ticket; LBJ as VP active on the Space Council; Landrum-Griffin Bill; talk with LBJ after the JFK assassination; LBJ’s legislative record; influence of organized
  • . B: You mean a quality of forcefulness and decision? C: Yes. More than anything else, I think- -that's what he was. A quality of foot-westerness, you might say. I don't say that Jack Kennedy wasn't a courageous man, a brave man, or that he
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • independence; wife's opinion of Lady Bird; strong Kennedy supporter; supper with RFK the night before his assassination; incident on plane after RFK's death; relationship between RFK and LBJ
  • be the point I would want to make. I think that I think he knew in politics you do not always know just what is going to happen. As I recall, it was in that next convention where he did place in nomination I believe the name of Senator Kennedy for Vice
  • ? P: The only time I really ever campaigned for him was in the 1960 election. I was in law school in 1948. And so, yes, in the 1960 campaign as he and Mr. Kennedy were running, I did do some rather modest [campaigning], and all in Texas, nothing
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • Washington-newcomer Purcell to many people; Bobby Kennedy; the JFK assassination; Luci Johnson babysitting for the Purcells; the hard-working staff of the White House; the JFK to LBJ transition; Meat Inspection Act; LBJ communication problems with mass media
  • that time in which you're beginning to think about, 1960, and it shows John F. Kennedy with the controversial issue of labor, and Stuart Symington with the controversial issue of certain armed forces propositions, and Lyndon Johnson
  • in 1960 you know. F: Did you have any opportunity to observe his relationship with Jack Kennedy? B: Yes, very friendly, until the White House days, until Kennedy got in the White House; then things changed, but their relationship was very good
  • as vice president; space program; LBJ relations with Eisenhower; LBJ and Robert Kennedy; JFK assassination; role of White House press; Walter Jenkins' resignation; Bobby Baker; presidential press secretaries; Nixon-Johnson relationship
  • insights as to the depth of the Texas political problem that brought Mr. Kennedy there, or did you think this was just another fund raising swing? R: No. We were all aware before we left Washington that the President and Vice President :hought they were
  • Reasons for JFK’s 11/63 trip to Texas; detailed description of the day of the assassination, the motorcade, assassination, hospital, swearing-in; and flight back to Washington D.C.; LBJ’s and Kennedy staff’s behavior following the assassination
  • ://discoverlbj.org/exhibits/show/loh/oh July 8, 1969 B: This is a continuation, the second interview with Rev. Holcomb. Sir, we left this after about 1961 or so. The next thing would be in '62 when you were appointed by President Kennedy as chairman of the Texas
  • -presidential nomination in 1956? S: I don't think so. We voted for [ John F . ] Kennedy. The Texas delegation in our caucus at that convention voted to support Kennedy instead of IEste!!1 Kefauver, I believe. B: Was anybody thinking at that time
  • the nomination? M: In 1956? B: Yes, sir. That's when Mr. Stevenson threw the convention open, and Mr. Johnson was in the running. M: I thought the contest then was between the late President John F. Kennedy and ex-Senator (Estes) Kefauver. LBJ
  • Kennedy, John F. (John Fitzgerald), 1917-1963
  • Johnson's effectiveness as Vice President 15,16 Days immediately following Kennedy assassination 17,19,20,21,22 Sec . Willard Wirtz 18,19 Mr . Meany 22 OEO 23,24 Everett Dirksen 25,26 President Johnson's major accomplishments 27 Nixon
  • the rather competitive and sometimes heated dialogue with John Kennedy, and the fact that I thought that Lyndon Johnson, himself, would feel that he had a more powerful and persuasive role to play as the Senate leader, and that this in fact would probably
  • with the Johnson-Rayburn group, but I have never been heavily involved with the party political machine in Texas. F: \fuen you come down to 1960, it is evi.dent that Johnson is probably going to run against Kennedy and whoever else, Stuart Symington and other
  • . D; Yes, very happily, they did. I remember the next week Life magazine had a centerfold and they had pictures of everybody laughing. They had all the senators, Humphrey, Kennedy, Johnson, Symington, all of them---l sti 11 have that copy of Li
  • . The interviewer is Joe B. Frantz. Jack, I suppose we may as well be informal on this. Let's talk a little bit about that Texas trip which saw Jack Kennedy assassinated. Did Vice President Johnson ever discuss with you the reasons for making the trip; did he
  • witnessed that fight between Kennedy and Kefauver for the vice presidency? T: Oh, yes. F: How much did Senator Johnson show his preference to the Texas delegation in I was very much in that. that. T: Let's see if I can remember it. You know at one
  • presidential campaigns; Senators Kefauver and Kennedy for the vice-president; LBJ’s first heart attack and recovery; Senator Ralph Yarborough; LBJ to running for vice-presidency; JFK; opportunities for Thornberry to become a federal judge; limitations
  • which would prove to our ultimate disadvantage. Now my position was public, was well known. When President Kennedy sent an emissary to me to ask that I remain on as chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, I could immediately see that having me
  • and inflation, hut ~orked more generally in areas of forecasting overall economic outlook, concentl'ating ;leavily on prices, inflation, this of proi.:;:, ::1. SOy't fl,1: v~a.ges, Compared to the Kennedy-Johnson Administration; can you give me some
  • serving in this position since 1961. Is that correct? "\1: Since July 1961. M: You were an appointee, then, of President Kennedy and served through the entire Johnson Administration. W: Yes. ~II: For many years you were associated IVi th various
  • Kennedy, Robert F., 1925-1968
  • you, Miss Miller. [Presume it was for coffee] Sir, before we get back into the chronology, you were just telling me an anecdote about Roy Wilkins of the NAACP and President Kennedy and thenVice President Johnson. H: This was very interesting. Mr
  • with Lyndon Johnson. A: I first became acquainted with him only after the Kennedy assassination. I had seen him around the White House occasionally, and I guess we nodded, though I doubt that he was sure who I was. F: But you never had any real
  • I've maintained close contact with the Kennedy-Johnson administrations. M: You might make a statement about Brookings Institution in general and its purpose. P: Brookings Institution is a nonprofit research organization that is privately LBJ